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They deny the necessity of evangelism/missions correct?

So how are those to get saved receive jesus thru faith if they have never heard of him again?

 

Only your corruption of it; we affirm the biblical meaning of the term.

So how did those to get saved receive jesus thru faith before the invention of mission boards?

 

The Calvinist likes to ask questions but avoids answering them, by asking another question. Standard for the defense of the mistaken doctrines of Calvinism.

Either evangelism alters the outcome of lives or it does not. In the Calvinist view, it does not because God will save every Elect individual, because God has predestined it. Therefore, only those that believe what scripture says about hastening the day of the Lord's return believe the outcome of lives is altered. I am in that group, way at the back, but Paul is in that Group, in the front line.

 

God has commanded the Church to take the message of the Gospel to all people!

God has decreed that salvation is by Grace alone, thru faith alone, and the agent bringing that gift to sinners is the Holy Spirit, by and through the procalmation that Jesus died for sinners, and he is the risen Loe necessity to rd!

ONLY hyper Cals deny the necessity to evangelise van!

 

How do you see lost sinners getting saved, apart from the knowing ASPECT OF JESUS IS THE SAVIOUR/lORD, WITHOUT THEM HEARING THAT GOOD NEWS?

 

Yeshua1, do you never stop posting fiction?

Calvinists speak double talk. They say a person must hear the gospel, but what about an elect person who never hears the gospel. They say God would not allow that to happen, He causes each elect person to hear the gospel. What about an elect person who dies at age three? God would still not allow that, every person who dies without hearing is non-elect. On and on they dance, posting absurdity after absurdity.

Basically non-cals believe evangelism changes the outcome of the lives of the lost, while the cals believe they must evangelize because it is commanded and they earn rewards for service. But God is not using them to alter the outcome of anyone's life, they were saved or damned from all eternity for all eternity and nothing anyone does will alter that foreordained outcome.

 

We believe that the Lord has provided for children /babies, as the Cross of Christ is sufficient to have provided for them, while he will also work in and through the meassage of the Cross to save sinners, as he honors NTHER message, and NNE gets saved apart from the cross!

And are you saying that the Lord does not actually knows who will be saved until he sees them placing faith in jesus?
That he is "blinded' to who will get into the Book until they actually decide for jesus?

 

Hi Yeshua1, I did not see where you addressed the issue. Did you say elect children babies are saved by the cross without faith in Christ? Is that Calvinism? Is there an exception to scripture that declares they were already condemned because of unbelief. You have no answers. Were they made sinners or did they never become sinners? How does scripture read to you.

Yeshua1 uses scripture like a smorgasbord, a little from here, a little from there and ignore the rest. :

 

ALL of humanity spiritual died in Adam, and only those who have received jesus as their Lord have reconciled backGod has the grace available to apply towards infants/children/mentally challenged, as their deaths and inability to receive Christ a product
of the fall, so God in his mercies has elected to have grace of the Cross apllied towards them!

They are NOT in stae of innocnence, but the Lord has decided to not have their sins reckoned towards them, by the grace of the Cross!.

 

More fictional mythology, but where is the scripture? None whatsoever. Nada, zip, nothing. So babies are fallen, by nature children of wrath, yet they are not condemned already because of unbelief. Where is the verse to support this myth?

Folks, this illustrates a fundamental difference between those who look to the Bible as the final authority, and those that invent doctrine not found in scripture because they see it as the only solution to a "problem."

Not how Bible scholars operate.

 

King david looked forward to going after death to meet his son, Jesus said to us that the little ones have theuir guardian Angels...

And God said that he would spare MANY in Ninevah who were too young to know right from wrong...

Sounds like thre Judge of the earth has provided or those in the Cross, doesn't it?

 

Yet another off topic, change the subject Calvinist post. Yeshua1 uses scripture like a smorgasbord, take a verse, leave a verse there, until he makes a piecemeal of God's word.

Evangelism alters the outcome of the lives impacted with the grace of God. Calvinism teaches our salvation or damnation is a done deal and nothing anyone does will change the outcome of our lives. How do we know, because through evangelism we hasten the day of the Lord's return. That would not be true if it was settled beforehand.

 

Open theism running rampant around these parts nowadays, it appears....

 

Some would not call themselves that, but hard to see what else to label if God does not already know who all the saved will be!

 

I see two slanders running a muck, making false charges to disparage without addressing the topic. More change the subject shuck and jive.

Did either slander address how we can hasten the day, if evangelism does not alter the outcome of lives? Nope. Shuck and jive.

 

Quit posting and purporting open theism, and we won't disparage...

 

God has decided to save sinners thru the preaching of the Gospel, as the Holy Spirit will work on hearts and minds of His people to get them saved by that...

So evangelism Indeed changes lives, did jesus not command us to witness Him as the risen Lord to all nations/peoples?

 

You know I have shredded Open Theism many times with posts, yet you make the false charge again.

Now if everything is predestined, then God has predestined every sinful thing done by every single person since the foundation of the world. That makes God, in the view of Calvinism, the author of sin, as freely admitted by Hyper-Calvinists. But mainline Calvinists, offer irrational nonsense, He predestines everything but is not the author of sin.

Will you answer my question, or will you return to slandering those who believe what the Bible actually says. No wonder so many see on-line Calvinists as cyber-bullies.

 

Next, we get another Calvinist shuck and jive. Here is the quote: "So evangelism Indeed changes lives...."

So I address that Calvinism denies that evangelism changes the outcome of anyone's life, as they were saved or damned from all eternity, and the shuck and jive misdirection addresses an apparent change during their lives. However, if everything is predestined, that change was not the result of evangelism changing anything, it was predestined to be that way. Shuck and more jive.

 

Does anything catch God by surprise?