anihilation or immortality for the lost?

Immortality.

 

Bob, I posted this back on page two. You conveniently ignored it.
How can an unsaved man, condemned to an eternity in the Lake of Fire, with an immortal body in which he was raised with in the resurrection be annihilated? God doesn't annihilate immortality.

 

There are two resurrections Bob. Do you agree?
What happens at the second resurrection? Do the bodies of the unjust rise? If so what kind of bodies will they have when they stand before the Great White Throne Judgment, just before they get cast into the Lake of Fire (Rev.20:11-15).
Please explain.

 

1 Corinthians 15:52-54 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

Is the breath of God immortal?

 

It is interesting how you just dismissed the rest of my arguments on the use of the term appollumi. It is also interesting that you take what is obviously a type of eternal destruction (Sodom and Gomorah) but then literalize that particular portion you need to defend your escatological doctrine. This type of twisted thinking is impossible to rationally deal with because such a mind will always randomly literalize or spiritualize what is needed to fit and defend error.

In the literal type all material things were reduced to ashes and thus "destroyed" in that literal sense. However, to suppose this LITERAL sense cross over to the eschatalogical future judgement makes physical death no different than the future judgement as one is simply the repeat of the other - reduced to ashes." Furthermore, such a literalization of one aspect assumes there is no immaterial substance of man at the judgement that is dealt with any different than at Sodom or Gomorah or a physical death and that assumption does not stand up to the overall context of Scripture.

Something immaterial resides in the material body so that Paul could identify it as "me" in distinction from his body. This "me" would be absent from the body but present with the Lord in an aorist tense simeltaneous action.

However, what your logic is ultimately based upon is how the SDA defines "soul" as merely biological life and "spirit" as merely "breath" thus making no practical distinction between animal and human life. This does not take into account that man was made in the "image of God" where both terms "spirit" and "soul' are applied directly to God as an immaterial being capable of existence outside or inside a material body as opposed to animal life which has no existence apart from a material body. This does not take into account that the waters and the earth brought forth animal life but God Himself "breathed" into man plural "spirits." A Spirit being has not "breath" because it has no physical body with lungs and so the imbreathing was impartation of a spiritual nature like unto God that exists within and without the material habitat and that is precisely why Paul distinguished "me" from his material body as existing inside it here on earth or outside it there in heaven with God.

 

Again, you are insisting on literalizing it in a type for application to the antitype (Mt. 10:28). The fact is, that what God can do is being contrasted to that of men in Matthew 10:28 rather than compared to what men can do to the body and soul. Man can burn a body and reduce it to ashes but he cannot apolummi the soul only God can and God does it "IN" hades not "by" hades. Therefore, only the bodies were "reduced to ashes" in Sodom and Goromah but not their "souls" as man cannot apollumi the soul - only God can.

The term "sleep" does not mean a dormant unconcious state but rather the state of rest and refreshment in contrast to what Jesus said saints would be experiencing in this world - in this world ye shall sufffer tribulation. Scientists state the the most active time of the human mind is in sleep. It is activity without interaction with this present world. Paul could hardly say that either unconscious existence or anihilation is "gain." What he describes as "gain" by death of the body is "to be present with the Lord." The double Aorist infinitive demands simeltaneous action with no time expiring between the two actions but they occur at the same moment in time. Your position is founded upon pick and select meanings and texts while avoiding the complete Biblical evidences.

 

Life and death are merely two states of existence. Spiritually "dead" humans have physical life and continue to exist. Only God is incapable of death and thus immortal by nature (that is why the Son of God had to become a man and take upon human nature in addition to His immortal divine nature). All created beings are capable of death. Satan continues to exist in a state of death. Humans are capable of death. Only God is immortal by nature and immortality must be derived from God by all created beings.

Jesus told Martha that he that beleiveth in him "shall NEVER die" and he said this in the context of a buried lazerus. The body of Lazerus obviously succumbs to death just as the body of Martha eventually succumbed to physical death and therefore there must be some aspect of Marththa and Lazerus that did not succumb to death and which Jesus demands will "NEVER" die.

I Corinthians 15 is concerned with the DEATH of the physical body not with the soul of saints. It is their dead physical bodies that put on "immortallity" at the resurrection or incapability to never experience PHYSICAL death again. The new birth imparts immortality to the spirit of the saint so that we possess eternal life NOW in the spirit of man (Jn. 3:6; 5:24) and therefore Jesus says we have "passed from death unto life" in our spirit (Jn. 5:24) and shall not come into condemnation - judgement unto death. Jesus uses the perfect tense in John 5:24 for the word "passed" indicating a completed action in the past that continues in a completed state and that completed state cannot be changed in the future or else they could "come into condemnation" unto death.

Bob, do you have ears to hear and eyes to see?

 

You have a number of problems with this Bob.
Look at the passage:

Revelation 20:10-15 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
--Here is context:
The beast (the antichrist) and the false prophet (the world religious leader) are both mortal individuals that deceived people during the Tribulation Period of seven years. They along with the devil will be cast into the Lake of fire and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever There is no annihilation here. No allegory here. It is a literal passage telling us the truth about future of these individuals.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
--This judgment is not on earth as you suppose. It is in heaven as it clearly says. You are clearly wrong. In fact both heaven and earth flee away. There will be a new heaven and a new earth. A mortal God cannot stand before a holy God. No man can see God and live.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
--The dead are the unsaved, those who are separated from God. There is no reference to the saved here. The degree of judgment received will be according to their works. This gives some credence to the view that there will be, somehow, degrees of punishment in the Lake of Fire, though we don't know how that is possible. The sentence of judgment is given by God in heaven. It is a condemnation to the Lake of Fire.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
--The extent of this judgment is massive in scope. Whether buried at sea or at earth, or whether in hell, the bodies of all unsaved will rise, and they will face this final judgment in their resurrected bodies. One cannot stand before God without being in a resurrected body.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
--The judgment is sure. There is no escape.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
--It is applicable to all who are not saved; all who do not have their names written in the book of life. The saved will not be there. They will have a resurrected body that will endure suffering forever and ever (vs 10) in eternal torment, separated from God.

We may not like it but that is the truth that God teaches.
If there is eternal life; there must be eternal death--separation from God for all eternity. God is a just God.