Animals on the Ark

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  1. Salty

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    The Bible teaches that at least 2 of each animals was on the ark.

    Actual question - how did penguins get to the Middle East from Antarctica?
     
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    First of all, the Bible says that God "brought" the animals to the ark.

    Secondly, before the Flood, there was no Antarctica - no Middle East. Genesis 1 says that God separated the waters into one place. Ergo, the land must have been in one place - meaning to me that the animals did not cross the entire globe and have to move from continent to continent and travel across oceans. Also, to me, this would mean that the world climate was not as varied as it is today.

    Some believe that the continents did not appear and separate until Genesis 10 when Peleg lived (post-Flood). Some take the statement of the earth "dividing" as continental drift.

    I used to believe that as Helen, the brilliant Christian and science teacher who used to frequent our Baptistboard used to teach. But now I lean more toward the earth breaking apart when the waters below the ground began to burst through the surface and flood the earth along with the waters in the sky canopy.

    I used to teach science for many years and I understand that IF the earth "broke apart" and the continents drifting during Peleg's time (many, many years post-Flood) that this would have caused global flooding all over again. God said that there would not be another global flood.

    Knowing how the surface of the earth can change rapidly, and not in millions of years, I believe that the continents dividing during the Flood and the natural Ice Age that occurred after the Flood (caused by tremendous climate changes due to no water vapor canopy anymore) would have made for land bridges for people and animals to cross into other continents.

    When the Ice Age dissipated, the waters rose somewhat and those land bridges disappeared making it impossible to migrate as easily as before and trapping some animals and peoples in one permanent spot.

    None of this is a hill that I would die on .... but it makes sense to me.
     
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    The obvious answer to your question is that they flew;
    it's in a marvelous song about the episode sung by the The Irish Rovers [LINK]

    A long time ago, when the Earth was green
    There was more kinds of animals than you've ever seen
    They'd run around free while the Earth was being born
    And the loveliest of all was the unicorn
    There was green alligators and long-necked geese
    Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees
    Some cats and rats and elephants, but sure as you're born
    The loveliest of all was the unicorn
    The Lord seen some sinning and it gave Him pain
    And He says, "Stand back, I'm going to make it rain"
    He says, "Hey Noah, I'll tell you what to do
    Build me a floating zoo,
    and take some of those...
    Green alligators and long-necked geese
    Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees
    Some cats and rats and elephants, but sure as you're born
    Don't you forget My unicorns
    Old Noah was there to answer the call
    He finished up making the ark just as the rain started to fall
    He marched the animals two by two
    And he called out as they came through
    Hey Lord,
    I've got green alligators and long-necked geese
    Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees
    Some cats and rats and elephants, but Lord, I'm so forlorn
    I just can't find no unicorns"
    And Noah looked out through the driving rain
    Them unicorns were hiding, playing silly games
    Kicking and splashing while the rain was falling
    Oh, them silly unicorns
    There was green alligators and long-necked geese
    Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees
    Noah cried, "Close the door because the rain is falling
    And we just can't wait for no unicorns"
    The ark started moving, it drifted with the tide
    The unicorns looked up from the rocks and they cried
    And the waters came down and sort of floated them away
    That's why you never see unicorns to this very day
    You'll see green alligators and long-necked geese
    Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees
    Some cats and rats and elephants, but sure as you're born
    You're never gonna see no unicorns
    [New Lyrics]
    Now you might think this is the ending to the song,
    But I'll have to tell you friends that in fact you're wrong
    You see, Unicorns are magical, so when the rain started pouring,
    They grew themselves some wings and they took to soaring.
    You'll see green alligators and long-necked geese
    Some humpty backed camels and some chimpanzees
    But if you're looking for the unicorns, don't be forlorn,
    The second star to the right and straight on until morning.
    (written by Shel Silverstein and the new verse by Andrew McKee)

    Rob
     
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    Genesis 10:25 And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan.

    This portion of scripture tells us that the continents were formed after the flood of Noah and therefore the penguins and all the animals had ample time to make their trek to the habitat they would thrive in. Then God divided the earth. Peleg was the 5th generation from Noah. That would be how the American Indians came to America, The Eskimo's made their way to the frozen tundra and so on.
     
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    Does it really "say" that. Most commentary I have perused suggests that the context around this speaks of the division of languages and nations...tribes etc. I find the "geological" interpretation mainly in the Creation Science community.
     
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    So QF - do you believe the penguins walked to the Middle East from Antarctica?
     
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    Brother, I used to be right on board with you. I now believe that the continental division because of plate tectonics happened during the Flood, not generations after it.

    Peleg and the earth's "division" is listed in the Table of Nations. I believe it is referring to the people of the earth being divided. That's the context of the whole chapter.

    Yes, the earliest peoples of North and South America did cross the frozen land bridge. After the Ice Age and melting of ice (floes and otherwise), those land bridges disappeared.

    Perhaps that's another reference that the "division" of the earth is talking about.
     
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    The languages came at the tower of Babel under Nimrod, which was several generations before Peleg. Genesis 11:8 "So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.
    9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth."

    It went like this Noah, Ham, Cush and Nimrod.

    The Peleg line went like this Noah, Shem, Arphaxed, Selah, Eber and Peleg. Three generation after the confounding of languages and the scattering abroad, we see Genesis 10: 25 "And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan."

    It could be nothing else but the dividing of the earth into the Continents. given the generational breakdown.
     
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    The 'dividing' of Gen 10 is GEO-POLITICAL, i.e., the creation of nations, not continents:

    5 Of these were the isles of the nations divided in their lands, every one after his tongue, after their families, in their nations.
    10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
    19 And the border of the Canaanite was from Sidon, as thou goest toward Gerar, unto Gaza; as thou goest toward Sodom and Gomorrah and Admah and Zeboiim, unto Lasha.
    20 These are the sons of Ham, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, in their nations.
    25 And unto Eber were born two sons: The name of the one was Peleg. For in his days was the earth divided. And his brother`s name was Joktan.
    31 These are the sons of Shem, after their families, after their tongues, in their lands, after their nations.
    32 These are the families of the sons of Noah, after their generations, in their nations: and of these were the nations divided in the earth after the flood. Gen 10
     
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    the geo-political occurred with the Languages at the time of Nimrod. The people scattered into all the earth, thus into every nation and tongue and people and they developed their own leadership based on their own languages.

    The time of Peleg could be nothing else but the continental breakup after the flood. It could be ICE had formed and the Ice melted but the bible says the Genesis 10:25 "And unto Eber were born two sons: the name of one was Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided; and his brother's name was Joktan." the earth divided, not the geo-political system nor does it say the earth divided into nations. It says the Earth divided and that would be into the continents.
     
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    You're forcing your interpretation totally out of context.
     
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    For a long time I held to a similar belief, revmwc. I was sure that Genesis 10:25 meant the continental break-up. But an event of that magnitude would surely have warranted more than a single verse in slightly stronger language. When the flood came, the Bible says the "fountains of the great deep [were] broken up." That, to me, implies a catastrophic change to the surface of the earth. Using only the term "divided" does, per other scriptural evidence, imply political division.
     
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    Nope, you know me. I have stated before, I lean more toward the flood recorded in Genesis as to being a local event.
     
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    I know it will come as a shock to you, and perhaps others, we will just have to agree (like gentlemen) to disagree on this.
     
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    I lean that way also, so does Pink.
     
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    Did not know that Pink leaned that way. Thanks for sharing.
     
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    When one says local what does one mean?

    From the spot on which the new ark sat, in feet, miles or whatever, what circumference would you draw around that ark as local?

    Let's assume at that moment in time all the continents were inter-connected what would the circumference have needed to have been to have the landmass, local to the ark?

    From beammeup's post would the ark have been just about centered in the landmass?

    BTW I have no answers, just questions.
     
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    Percho I want to quote Pink on the flood being regional instead of global but can't find it; I thought for certain it would be in his 'Gleanings in Genesis', but it's either in another of his works or I've overlooked it. I've even googled it with no success. I'm 99.9999% certain that I haven't misrepresented him though; trust me, I would never do that intentionally. I'll look some more. Sorry.

    It's what I get for speaking 'off the cuff' at my age.
     
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    Genesis 7:10 "And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. 11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. 12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights...19 "And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered. 20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered." so high that it covered the mountains."

    The fountains that the underground water supply as well as the cloud layer above deluged the whole Earth 'erts. This appears to say the whole earth, the word for earth is 'erets, it means whole earth as opposed to a part, it means land, earth. Eveerything that moved upon the whole earth died, it could only occur with a world wide flood, unless no animals existed
     

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