Another Poll for everyone on the Baptist Board to see what side of the fence youre on

You're thinking linearly. Irresistable grace is not contingent upon a linear timeline. We can't fully understand that, since we're linear beings ourselves.

John Calvin himself says, "No man is excluded from calling upon God, the gate of salvation is set open unto all men: neither is there any other thing which keepeth us back from entering in, save only our own unbelief."

 

That's what 2 Timothy 1:9 says, when referring to God "who has saved us and called us to a holy life".

 

Christ calls all men, but not all men obey and come.

Matt 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.

I don't care what Calvin or any other man says, Jesus himself showed God calls all men, but not all men obey and come.

Calvinism does not teach this, Calvinism teaches an "effectual calling" (a man made term and doctrine if there ever was one), and only extends this effectual calling to the few elect. Absolutely unscriptural.

John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Jesus said he would draw all men to him. But Calvinists say God does not know what he is saying, he actually only meant the elect.

So, Almighty God doesn't understand his own words. He could have said I will draw the elect only, but instead misspoke and said all men.

How utterly absurd.

 

Thank you! I was going to respond, but you said it better than I would have.

I believe that the preaching of the Word is the calling today that all men can respond to, if they so choose. I don't hold to the false belief that only a secect few have been elected. I notice that it is only those who feel they are one of the select who believe this.

 

Not so. In fact, Calvins said "No man is excluded from calling upon God, the gate of salvation is set open unto all men...". The "effectual calling" that you're referring to isn't what's being referred to, and does not negate the fact that salvation is offerred to all.

 

Baloney, it is amazing how a person can deceive themselves. You know as well as I do that Calvinism teaches unsaved unregenerate man is uttery unable to answer this calling. Only God can give them this ability.

So, by your doctrine God is foolish. He calls a man and begs him to come to Christ knowing it is utterly impossible. Or maybe he is not foolish, but ruthless and cruel and mocks unsaved man. He laughs at man saying "come unto me" knowing the man cannot. That is obscene.

 

Definitely #1 since Giod said that "Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10:13

"Whosoever" means ANYONE--not just a select few that catch God's eye. God also said "There is none that doeth good, no, not one." Romans 3:12

We are not saved because God thought us worth of it. Nor is anyone more worthy than another since NO one is worthy. That's what grace is all about; He saves ANYONE who calls on him in faith and repentence and asks for forgiveness--dedspite the fact that none of them are worthy.

I was saved on May 18, 1963. I was not worthy then and still am not worthy, but God's mercy and grace were extended to this lost sinner when I called on Him after realizing my lost condition.

 

Only certain English Bible versions say that all men and drawn. The equivalent is not in the Greek.Instead, all of His own have and shall be drawn to Himself. You need to check out John six for clarification.

And He certainly doesn't call those who live their entire lives out of the reach of the sound of the Gospel of Christ.

 

You're the one being facetious.

How dare you call God fooish!

How dare you say God is begging.

How dare you say He is ruthless (which means without love).

How dare you say a lot of things that I won't take the time to list.

But I want you to know that attributing any of these and other entirely scurrilous charges against God and claiming that Calvinists adhere to these is reprehensible.

 

I will not vote simply because you make God out to be a monster who owes it to man to redeem him even after it was he, man, who willingly, knowingly, and voluntarily disobeyed God, rendered belief and loyalty to a fellow creature who is the father of lies.

Tell us, do you believe God must redeem and save man after that fact ?
Do you by conviction and in all honesty believe God is under obligation at all in any way shape or form to redeem anyone ?

First you put in print that you do not believe God must have all the glory and honor for anything and everything concerning His creation, now you put God in an obligation box ?

 

Seriously?

 

Hey Skandy, if the two polls are combined the monergists still outnumber the synergists, heheh.

 

I don't understand how these polls prove anything. In the first poll approximately 4 to 1 believe in Monergism, but in this poll approximately 4 to 1 believe sinful men have the ability to willingly repent and be saved.

How should that be interpreted?

 

Brother Winman, I probably won't sleep over eight hours tonight worrying about it.

(even though this poll was blantantly biased)

 

I won't lose sleep either, but I imagine that many here voted on both polls (I did) and the results don't make much sense.

 

There may still yet be several to vote Winman. and who knows, you free willers may demand a 'recount'!

...heheh, it ain't over with til' the overweight lady sings......