Another pre-trib rapture position

There is not a simple single verse stating all Christians go. One should search the entire Bible to arrive at an accurate conclusion. Me or anyone else will not be able to satisfy your request. I know for sure all born again Christian will reign with Christ, no strings attached.

The Revelation passage I offered clearly states to me, that right after the day of judgment begins those that die in the Lord are spiritually dead. If they had been alive in Christ, they would of participated in the Rapture. All saints in the body of Christ must be raptured together because it must be kept intact as a unit, not some here and some over there like Mc Donald's farm.

The Revelation chronology I've created fits together like jig saw puzzle, no missing pieces. There is perfect harmony of events and themes prophesied in the OT. Hopefully some year soon, it will be revealed to the Church for their own determination.


Mt. 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 pertains to the Tribulation of 3.5 years prior to the Second Coming. The context of these passages points to Israel and the Jews who live in Jerusalem, no reference to the Church is given. Although that day, the day of the Lord, will "come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth," Jesus is specifically addressing Jews in Jerusalem during the Trib, the same as his Jewish disciples who are in Jerusalem during the Olivet discourse.

Verse 36 should go like this: "Be always on the watch, and pray that you (Jews in Jerusalem) may be able to escape (live through the Trib) all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man (when he returns to judge the nations, Mt. 25:31-46)." Those blessed by the Father will enter the earthly kingdom and those cursed will thrown into the "eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."

 

Rev. 3:10
Christ's commanded the Church to endure patiently the tribulations (small "t") afflictions and evil caused by the devil.

Those in Luke 21 are commanded to endure the Great Tribulation and its wrath caused by the Lord.

 

Your right, 3:10 doesn't say anything about enduring little tribulations, afflictions etc.
I get this from Scriptures related to the Church, from Pentecost in Acts to the 7 churches in Rev.
Paul never associates the Church with God's wrath or earthly judgments of the Trib. Through out these books, there are many examples of the saints enduring the evil actions of others and a few hardships imposed by God to refine and mold us into better saints for Christ.

A Christian might add to the Word out of pride or ignorance, but not to deceive.

 

The 3 words "the great tribulation" can not be found in the KJV of the Bible.

HankD

 

Mt. 24:4-14 covers the entire great tribulation.

Mt. 24:15-30 repeats the entire great tribulation.
It will be a time of "great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now - and never to be equaled again" (V. 21). Jesus returns at the end of it (V. 30)

LK 21:8-11; 20-28 is the great tribulation. It will be a "time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written," there will be "great distress in the land and wrath against this people" (v.22-23) Jesus returns at the end of it (v.27).

MT. And Lk. cover the same time frame as Rev. 6-19. The KJV has "great tribulation" in 7:14. Jesus returns at the end of it (19:11-16)"

 

Prophecynut: "Mt. 24:4-14 covers the entire great tribulation."

I respectfully disagree. This passage is happening today, right
now. This passage has been happening since the Day of Pentacost
33AD. This passage is descriptive of the whole Church Age
(oh, excuse me, the Biblical term is "time of the Gentiles").
The time of the Gentiles goes from Pentacost 33AD to the
pretribulation rapture/resurrection. Oh excuse me, until
the start of the 70th Day of Daniel.

Here is my prewritten concept of the Matthew 24 account of
the Mount Olivet Discourse (MOD).
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In Matthew 24:3 the disciples of Jesus
ask three questions:

(in the order asked):
1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
2. What is the sign of His coming?
3. What is the sign of the end of age?

Jesus answers these questions in
Matthew 24:4-44, then follows them with
some parables.

Here are the answers of Jesus in the
order the questions were asked:

1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
Matthew 24:4-14

2. What is the sign of His coming?
Matthew 24:15-30

3. What is the sign of the end of age?
Matthew 24:31-44

Here is a summary of the answers
in the order in which events will occur:

1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
Soon, it was in 70AD

3. What is the sign of the end of age?
No signs preceeding the end of the age

2. What is the sign of His coming?
The Sign of His coming will be the
Tribulation period.

Recall the Greek language in which this
Mount Olivet Discourse (MOD) was written
did not have Microsoft Word to do it with.
So many ands, buts, and other connectors
give the outline. I believe the major
outline to be:

1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
Matthew 24:4-14

2. What is the sign of His coming?
Matthew 24:15-30

3. What is the sign of the end of age?
Matthew 24:31-44

The Gathering in Matthew 24:31 is the
Rapture/resurrection which ends the
current church age (gentile age, age of grace,
last days, etc.)

Thus Matthew 24:4-14 describes all of the
church age even up to this time.
Matthew 24:4-14 describes the church age.
The signs of Matthew 24:4-14 are signs
that the church age continues.
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God gave me this message in the fall of 1999 when i
had been a pretrib rapturist for 47 years. So even
if you PROVE that this scripture has nothing to do about
the pretribulation rapture that starts at the beginning
of the 70th week of Daniel, i'll still be pretrib

BTW, to be on topic, Jesus will pull everybody
off this earth - all the real Christians will
drop off this earth like leaves drop off a tree
in a fall storm.

 

Why you stubborn old fart, now I know what your problem is. Take two aspirin and call me in the morning.

 

That's quite a prognosis p-nut!

HankD