Another question for Calvinists part2

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BTW: What translation is being used "higher powers", "damnation", perhaps this might be a "bone of contention".

 

I hope you have never "grumbled" about paying your taxes or perhaps have tried to fight a speeding ticket in court or something similar.

 

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Are we to obey civil and governmental authorities when they are godless and demand that we worship whatever secular god may be proposed? What if we were ancient romans who were ordered to worship and pay homage to the emperor?

 

And you are a real man, it takes a lot of courage to admit when you are wrong.

I am not about being right to exalt myself over others, I just want to know the truth. I do allow myself to get frustrated at times, and often answer sarcastically. I apologize for that.

You have truly gained my respect and we will get along much better now.

THANKS!!

 

True if you are refering to a temporal judgment (or chastisement) but the context here is not refering to etenal judgment. For instance, if a saved person breaks the law they will never suffer eternal judgment (damnation)

 

KJV, with explanations given of the Greek words.

 

If you mean eternal damnation it would be those who have not been saved by grace through faith. In other words those who are not depending on Christ finished work on the cross.

 

Charles, read Acts 5:17-29. Here Peter and the apostles were commanded by the authorities not to preach the gospel and were thrown in prison, but angel released them and commanded them to speak in the temple. When they were found the high priest asked, "Did we not straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name?", to which Peter answered, "We ought to obey God rather than men."
Yes, we are to obey the laws, except when they go against God's commands. An example is when doctors in military hospitals are ordered to perform abortions. Many have refused and rightfully so.

 

The context of "he who resisteth the higher power resisteth God," is speaking of the government. Your comment of those who resist are damned or not saved would therefore include all those who resist the government's laws on taxes and those who resist their authority to collect them. They are resisting the "higher authority" and therefore resisting God. God put governments in place for a reason.

Perhaps we shouldn't "grumble" against what God has put in authority either, for would not that be grumbling against God. Instead, do something about it. Pray for those in authority that you may lead a peaceable life. When the next election comes, you can attempt to do something then. In the meantime perhaps there are other peaceful means you can use. Grumbling is a sin.

BTW, we get the government that we deserve.