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Discussion in 'Baptist Colleges / Seminaries' started by Havensdad, Dec 10, 2009.

  1. Havensdad

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    Ok, I promise I will quit bugging everyone with my questions...soon.

    The Southern Baptist Seminaries (Big Six) have an agreement to limit the amount of online classes applicable towards a degree to 30. Is this only applicable to the credits taken at that particular seminary when enrolled, or is this a total?

    For instance, many Seminaries and Universities do not even record on the transcript the method of delivery. And since most of the seminaries allow everything but 24-30 of the credits to be transferred ....

    Does anyone know how this works?
     
  2. TomVols

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    Don't do that. That's what this forum is for.

    My understanding is that it's a sum total.

    As I recall, SBTS has a requirement that one third of the degree must be completed at their campus. Now here's the kicker: their "campus" can mean Louisville or one of the extensions. At least it used to mean that. IOW, one could do a SBTS degree without ever having trod the beeches.

    I have seen transcripts that record the method of earning the coursework.
     
  3. Martin

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    ==They claim that is due to their accreditation. And it is. SACS is ok with degrees online, it is their ATS accreditation that is not. The odd thing about that is that SACS enjoys much wider acceptance than ATS. Anyway, to answer your question, I would think it would only apply to credits taken at that seminary. However they will require you to take a certain number of classes through their school and limit the number of courses you can take online. If you are transferring in, your online options at one of the major SBC schools might be cut.

    IMO, earning an MDiv from Liberty Baptist Theological Seminary is a much better idea if one cannot move to a school's campus. As for the Greek/Hebrew, you could earn those online through New Orleans after you finish your MDiv from Liberty.
     
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    The way I understand it, I believe it's the total, not per school.
     
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    This is also my understanding.
     
  6. Havensdad

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    I would prefer not to take 18 hours of extra classes BEFORE I could pursue a higher degree!

    However, I believe Liberty allows you to fulfill some of your classes at other schools (Concurrently): Southwestern's Houston Campus is about 35 minutes from me. But unlike NOBTS, you have to go through the full application process, even for non degree students; so not sure if I want to do that.

    I am thinking of taking Greek classes online through NOBTS concurrently (1 per semester) with my Liberty classes, and then doing the Summer languages Institute at NOBTS for my 9 hours of Hebrew.
     
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    Martin,
    Your strategy is good advice; Still, I would factor in one's distance from an extension center as well as one's preferred learning environment- online vs. in class. As Tom mentioned, all of the "big six" have extension centers and this is certainly true of SBTS. If you lived an hour or less from an extension center and could take your classes two days a week (of course not interfering with work, etc.), while finishing the max number of classes allowed online...it seems to me that this would be a very strong option. It is wonderful that seminary students today have so many good options.
     
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    Havensdad- Just out of curiosity...being so close to an extension center for SWBTS, why are you not just attending there as a degree student?
     
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    SACS vs. ATS

    Martin,

    Not to stir up the mix and get the dialogue sidetracked, but you are correct from my perspective, about SACS vs. ATS.

    Dr. B. Gray Allison wanted and pursued vigorously SACS accreditation for Mid American (MABTS). I was there as a lowly Diploma student when the final word from SACS came through. His idea was that if the major universities were satisfied with SACS--that would be enought ATS or no.

    And by-the-by, SACS is enough!!! :thumbsup:

    I am not sure, however, that ATS accreditation could be gained if an institution were not Regionally Accredited? Just a guess here.

    My two cents worth.

    "That is all!"
     
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    Several reasons, first being financial. SWBTS like all but one of the Big Six, somehow thinks it's perfectly acceptable to let students go out and get high interest loans for class, but finds the idea of interest free government loans somehow offensive.


    Second, I am a youth pastor, I have a job, and I could not take a full course load at a B&M seminary. If they did half and half, I might swing it: but a 30 hour limit on DE courses (on a 90+ hour degree), is simply un-doable in my situation.


    Third, to be honest I like Liberty better than Southwestern. If it was Southern Baptist Theological Seminary that I were close to, or Southeastern, it might be different.
     
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    Govt loans aren't interest free, but I hear you completely. They won't take govt loans, but GI bill money is just fine. No govt loans, but they'll take the local masonic temple's money for grants and other foundations' loans which charge much higher interest. And then, some state Bapt foundations, which can have unBiblical stipulations, are just fine.

    Sorry...this really is a soapbox for me because it cost me dearly during my seminary days. If only I'd been from VA or the Carolinas :smilewinkgrin:
     
  12. Havensdad

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    Well, the subsidized loans do not start accruing interest until after graduation, anyway.
     
  13. Crucified in Christ

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    Thank you for the answer. I completely understand your point about the loans...that is an area of concern. I also want to thank you for your dedication to your ministry. As to SWBTS, SBTS and SEBTS, they are all excellent seminaries, but I understand some people's objections to SWBTS. Anyway, Liberty is an excellent Seminary, so have at it. By the way, which of the big 6 allow Govt loans? Thanks for your time and answer.
     
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    Midwestern Baptist Theological Seminary

    http://www.mbts.edu/admissions/financial_aid/
     

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