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Discussion in 'Other Discussions' started by Rebel, May 18, 2015.

  1. Earth Wind and Fire

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    We are all born sinners.....God decides the time and the place and who is and who is not going to come to him. You have no authority to judge....in fact you are told not to judge. Thats his department. So get busy preaching to those you appear to dispise. See your job is to love them. And preach the truth.....in love. Mine too by the way.:laugh:
     
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    You have misinterpreted the verses about Judging and have much to learn, for example, Jesus said there would be many false Prophets and Teachers, EWF, we are required to judge peoples lifestyles and beliefs and measure everything against the word of God, how else will you know if they are true or false. You are loving Rcc`s all the way to Hell, this is not love, it`s actually hate.
     
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    Actually, if you are speaking of Matthew 7:1, you are mistaken because Matthew 7:5 completes the thought and tells us to help remove the speck from our brother's eye.

    Additionally, 1 Corinthians 5 and Galatians 6 speak pretty clearly about judging the behavior of someone and bringing action against them as does Jesus in Matthew 18.
     
  4. Robert William

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    Great answer Anne, thanks. :) :thumbs:
     
  5. annsni

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    Anytime. We DO need to be careful when we are judging and we are never to judge the state of one's soul (although there ARE times we can figure it out pretty easily) but when a brother is in a sin, we SHOULD speak to him about it, try to show him what God has to say and work towards restoration and not division. Of course there are those with a lot of pride, anger or whatever that they can't take the "correction" and that is when we're told to step away from them. But I've found often if it's a believing brother or sister, and I go to them with a humble and broken heart, they will hear me and consider what I'm saying. I've been approached as well and it's tough to hear but when someone comes to me with the right attitude, I have considered what they've said and often times realized that what they were saying was true and I've repented. It's a tough place, on either side but I'm grateful for those who love me enough to call me to the carpet when I'm doing something wrong.
     
  6. lakeside

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    I believe Jesus was speaking about the topic at hand in Romans 16:17-18.Only the Catholic Church had the true doctrine/ the One True Gospel, all the other garbage started around the 16Th Century and continuously got worse through the centuries until we have what we have today, new cults and more cults coming. The Catholic Church ,according by the early Christians, was the first Christian church. All that split away from the Church became faux Christian, watered-down Christian or non-Christian. Our Lord Jesus only ever formed One church, being that church was formed on His Apostles and they were given the authority from the Authoritative Lord Jesus the power and authority to forgive and retain sins, etc.
     
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    I used the description " stunningly beautiful" as it is difficult to describe a mystical experience without being thought downright weird. But yes, I learn more and more of my Saviour each time, it enriches me when I go out into the world. Sorry, I am not gifted in expressing the interior life.

    The confession aspect is something I cannot elaborate well either. Yes, I confess directly to the Lord when I falter on His path, but it is a great consolation to voice my desolation, and to receive spiritual direction through His intermediary is beneficial.
     
  8. Earth Wind and Fire

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    So who is it that saves you, me or Christ?
     
  9. Robert William

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    Amen to the above. I keep reminding myself that I'm saved by grace (unmerited favor) and am no better than anybody else.:godisgood:
     
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    Even a Roman Catholic Robert?
     
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    So, was the RCC the one true church when it was doing all that persecuting and murdering? Is killing others in the name of Jesus a mark of the one true church?
     
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    Rebel, that's the reason I love the ‘corrupt and crime ridden Catholic Church’ is that first of all we admit that it is such, and second, we’re sorry that it is such and third, that we are trying to do something about it. The Catholic Church might be corrupt and crime ridden, but the Catholic Church is also the only institution that can do anything about it. Of course the Catholic Church is full of sinners. Just like a hospital is full of sick people. The Lord does not call the righteous but sinners to repentance, and since that is the case we should expect that it is sinners who respond to the call, come in out of the cold and ask for the necessary treatments to make things better.

    We are all not happy with the crime and sin and corruption in the Catholic Church, but we can’t imagine any other church that would be any different. Catholics are a work in progress and those of us who acknowledge we are sinners feel comfortable with other people who are also still working on it. Like an AA group: “Hi I’m lakeside. I’m a sinner.”

    So I’m not real worried about the Catholic Church being full of crime and corruption and a good number of sinners. It makes me feel at home.

    What worries me are the self righteous people who blame the Catholic Church for being such. Do they really think they are so much better than everybody else? Geesh! It’s those type of people who give me the creeps–not the sad sinners who sit in our pews week by week. At least they know they need help. The ones who think they don’t need help? They’re the squeaky clean zombies that make me shudder.
     
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    Say what you will, there is no defense for the persecutions and murder that the RCC carried out for centuries. EVERY denomination is full of sinners, but the Baptists and Anabaptists were the only ones who didn't persecute and murder in the name of Jesus, and who were for religious liberty. The RCC and Magisterial Protestants can't say that.
     
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    If yer talkin' systematic rape and abuse of young boys, and the subsequent cover-up and obfuscation of the investigation into it, yeah. I'm better.
     
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    You might be able to add the Quakers and Mennonites to that list as well.

    And Lakeside - you or the RCC cannont apologize for something that others did 500 years ago. The best you can do is say they were wrong.

    But lets look at this - If the Pope is Gods voice to the Church - then did the many Popes get it wrong about all the persecutions and murder that the RCC carried out for centuries.
    If so - then the papal infallibility is in question - if not outright a heresy.
     
  16. Rebel

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    Mennonites were/are Anabaptists, and Quakers were kin.
     
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