another report on Sword Scripture Conference

Thank you for the clarification Pastor Bob. It sounds as though things weren't nearly as bad as I feared. I expect folk who use the KJV to be well founded in their opinions. As long as they recognize that they are presenting their opinions and aren't commanding the use of the KJV, I see little problem.

However, not every modern version is based on the Critical Texts are they? How were these dealt with or were they?

Oh and guys, the NIV is the Nearly Inspired Version, haven't you heard? :laugh:

 

Based on an actual attendee's word (Pastor Bob), I would say that love was there.

The OP, and a few other posts have been toward degrading anyone holding the KJV as truth ... from my POV of this thread, not toward this love you are speaking of.

Scripture speaks of building each other up in the faith (which the SOTL conference was about). Scripture does not say if you see a brother at fault run his reputation as a brother in Christ and all that he believes in in the dirt. If you feel Dr Belcher was wrong, or any other minister at that conference, you need to try to contact them by email or phone or even snail mail if necessary and try to reconcile the differences rather than make them look bad in front of thousands who may read this thread.

 

From whence cometh this sudden concern about besmirching someone or something SFiC ?

I'd like to know what kind of doctorate Belcher has . His statements lead me to believe he spoke offith the topith of his hoary head . ( Pardon me if he's bald .)

 

There is the point, Rippon, you do not even know who Dr Belcher is and you are putting him down on the internet.

Very unbecoming.

 

He just doesn't appear to be ( despite glowingly-worded reports ) that well-educated . What are his qualifications ? What is his background theologically ? Factual substance was in absentia .

 

Pastor Bob, I know you aren't a mind reader, but do you think if John R. Rice walked in and gave his views of the Bible and the KJV as he had wrote over the years they would have allowed him to speak or not? Would they have allowed another person holding Dr. Rice's book, Our God Breathed Book, The Bible to read a few chapters of it, to the folks there or not?

Thanks brother.

 

There are a select few modern English translations that are based upon basically the same texts as the KJV. The NJKV is perhaps the most popular. These were not dealt with in the sessions that I attended.

 

This is the second time my integrity has been called into question. I am not in the habit of embellishing my reports. Is it possible for you to simply state your position without veiled personal attacks?

I'm not sure, but I believe he is a BJU graduate. I would guess that his doctorate is honorary. He has pastored I believe for 30 years. That gives him the necessary qualifications to stand before an assembly of pastors and challenge them to hold the Word of God in highest regard.

 

I would like to think that he would be allowed to present his views. His books are still being sold by SOTL so, "he being dead yet speaketh."

Perhaps. It must be noted that the version issue in Dr. Rice's (also an honorary degree I believe) day was not nearly what it is today. There are new English versions appearing annually. My guess is that Dr. Rice would speak out publicly against this practice.

I cannot remember when he died, I believe it was in the early 80's. At that time, there were only a few major MVs on the market. Hardly the 200+ that we have today.

 

Evangelist John R. Rice (1895 -1980)

I only remember the NKJV, NASB and the NIV during the late 70s and early 80s...not nearly as many MVs as are appearing at the present time. Seems like a new one comes out every year now.

BTW, I was not KJV when I got saved in 1974...I used the NASB and NKJV. The NIV never appealed to me at all. I've only been KJV since the late 90s.

 

Rippon! What are your qualifications to judge this man?:tonofbricks:

 

That was Pastor Bob's response to this statement (by Logos1560)--

"The earlier English translators did not regarding their translating to be inspired."​

I would suggest that at times some of the apostles and prophets did know that they were writing under inspiration. There are numerous OT passages that contain "thus saith the Lord". But in the NT, there is John's apocalyptic record that begins, "The revelation of Jesus Christ". Paul seems to know that at times he was writing the commands of the Lord, while at other times he was expressing his own opinion (see 1 Corinthians 7). Additionally, Paul instructed (and expected) that his letters would be circulated among multiple congregations.

 

First, I would suggest that there were at least 100 versions of the English Bible when Dr. Rice wrote his book, more than enough to make his point valid.

Second, while currently there has been published in excess of 200 English Bible versions, they certainly are not all considered "major" (most are quite obscure), nor are they all available on the market (many no longer in print today). The average christian bookstore carries about 15 popular (in sales) translations, and some online/mailorder outlets have approximately 30 versions (with actual unique texts). Proliferation of versions has been on the increase, but Pastor Bob had well overstated the situation.

 

I disagree. Excluding the pre-KJV translations, I would be very surprised to learn that there was more than 5 "modern" translations.
Webster's - 1833
English Revised Version - 1881
American Standard Version - 1901
New American Standard Version - 1971
New International Version - 1973

If there were more, then they were certainly obscure as you mention many are today. Dr. Rice's two choices were primarily the KJV and the ASV.

 

24 English Bibles prior to JR Rice's death is a far cry from 'at least 100'.

 

Logos1560 lists 15 New Versions 1901-1982

The ALMANAC OF THE CHRISTIAN WORLD,
1991-1992 Edition ( Tyndale House, 1990)
lists 6 in 1901 itself.
That Almanac lists versions 254-272
covering 1901-1082.
That would be a count of 83 Bibles or
partial Bibles (in 1968 only Paul's letters
were in COTTON PATCH BIBLE )

 

That is true 83.7% of the time.

Ed