I'm Christian, fundamental /Southern Baptist, and politically conservate....not 'neo', strong Constitutionalist.......... yea! You Go Chuck Baldwin....all the way to office. -------------- Response continues: The definition of children is not defined in your statement. Many cultures, including our own, recognize the difference between a pre-pubescent child and those who have 'come of age' ....and our own society attempts to control but doesn't enforce chasity or prosecution upon the s*xual expressions of pubescent youths who 'experiment' with each other but don't rape. According to one statement by a woman who left a similar cult (yes, folks, this is not the only one) she was taught nothing of the birds and bees, and was married off at 14 years o f age, her father arranged with church official, her mother didn't want, but had no power to do anything in a male dominated society. this may happen but it is not necessarily the all-inclusive experience of every person belonging to this sect. Force is rape. Consent at the age of 18 is not. When the Texas state allowed 14 y/o's to marry....just 3 years ago... a consenting 14 y/o was of legal age to give consent. Still seems illegal (not merely immoral) to me....but it may depend how the state of Texas regards unlicensed marriage. What if it's 2 14 y/o? A 14 y/o and someone 17 and 11 months? How about 14 and 26? If 'consent' was coerced, or forced by any means, then it is rape: In a society where early and arranged marriage is accepted as normal, it is likely that very few of these women would understand the same objections which you or I might have in the same situation..... Guess I missed the article which establish that this was a fact, routine and customary occurrence: I read something that 'alleged' or rumoured such....but even that article suggested the rarity and the arrangment involved the leadership of the cult and the 'suitor'. The guilty should be prosecuted. Honestly, doesn't this work both ways? Children have rights to live safely in secure homes with their none abusing parents and parents have the right to possess their belief systems, no matter how offensive it is to us, as long as their children are not abused. Is it right to take children which have not been abused from their parents because they and their parents are part of a belief system which you and I do not agree with? Why would some equate protecting their constitutional rights as support ing their belief..... when the former protects us all, but the latter is a peculiar individual expression which we Christians want to preserve for ourselves and our prosperity.... but can only do so at the expense or risk of allowing others their beliefs. (We really must be careful here.....because we are getting into areas of justice or judgement based on the potential for wrong doing) To take this into an area of our own belief system: You (DonnA et al) and I can probably agree that we both believe the Bible is the Word of God: The Bible teaches: Proverbs 13:24 "He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes. Proverbs 19: 18 "Chasten thy son while there is hope, and let not thy soul spare for his crying. Proverbs 22: 6 "Train up a child in the way he should go, and when he is old, he will not depart from it." vs 15 "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child, but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him." Proverbs 23: 13-14 "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell." What should we do? Shall we tear Proverbs out of our Bible? If one is a 'Bible believer', would it be 'right' or 'just' to remove kids from a home based upon Biblical teachings or 'the potential for (as yet no occurrance) abuse' or someone using our religion based upon the possible expression of those beliefs? This is dangerous ground for us to encourage our government to lower its requirement for proof or to expand enforcement into the 'mind reading' or 'reading the future' without some concern: We the people still are the government, no matter how much we wish to blame 'the government' for the things we disapprove of. As the people who give our recognition to the ones which we elect to rule..... it is also our right, our opportunity, our necessity, to be careful as to what rights we protect for ourselves and our neighbors, and what are (the narrow) areas of enforcement permitted and within reason for our government to restrict. Some forms of evil we have to find constitutional ways to limit, control or change. This last statement is not completely clear. We know only what is reported, that is what some reporter or person 'alleged'...... If their accounts are true then we may assume there was definately an effort to confuse the CPS officials in their bone dig: I would think that most mothers would know which are their own children. But when they are rounded up with little explanation and involved in a law enforcement action which purpose they know not........and which could be as much against their practice of religion, or their choice to live in a compound or closed and private community, why proffer information unnecessarily? As citizens of this country, they are within their rights to peacefully reserve their rights to speak or not to speak. Until there is a charge of abuse, there is no right to remove a child from a home.......even if that home has multiple families living under its roof. If it were to have occurred in a Baptist Church..... we would most likely cooperate: But what if the child, and the family were unnamed and the specifics were not revealed? Would we cooperate without question the removing of our children and separating the wives from their husbands until the CPS had the time to investigate each and every family and home? Yes, I do feel a vested interest of sorts: My ancestry.....besides being German, English is also American Indian. Not once in the history of our country has so many children been removed from their families within the citizenship: The removal of American Indian children from their families and homes and sending them on the trail of tears.... is another matter.