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Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by LadyEagle, Oct 11, 2002.

  1. LadyEagle

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  2. BrianT

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    Yes, I could probably put a better chart together. According to that one, you missed the rapture. [​IMG]
     
  3. Daniel David

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    I concur with BrianT about this. I am pretrib and premill and think Larkin is in his own little world. His theology reaks of that stuff you find in a rusted roof gutter. I don't know of a single conservative teacher that recommends his stuff. He is way off base. His material is the kind of stuff I would expect to see at a Jack van Impe convention.

    No thanks. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    [ October 11, 2002, 10:50 AM: Message edited by: Preach the Word ]
     
  4. Jim1999

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    Isn't dispensationalism listed under the cults?

    Is the Scofield Reference Bible still in print?

    Larkin is a great reference book for Free Masons.

    Cheers,

    Jim

    Amil, reformed.
     
  5. LadyEagle

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    Well, tsk..tsk. Lot's of unkind verbiage on here, but no alternative interpretation offered.

    http://www.larkinestate.com/larkinbio.htm

    The meanness and disrespect on this Board is just appalling. Clarence Larkin was probably a more Godly person and had a closer spiritual walk with the Saviour than most of the people who post on this board, myself included.

    The attitudes on here are disgusting. It's so easy to bash & not offer anything substantial as an alternative. :rolleyes:
     
  6. KenH

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    You mean things like calling the beliefs of fellow Christians with whom we disagree, evil.

    What goes around, comes around, SheEagle911. [​IMG]

    Ken
     
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    Hi,

    I'd call myself 'dispensational', though I'm not up for cutting history into seven 'dispensations', although it does seem to kind of work. To get back to the point, that link at the beginning of the thread is interesting, because it shows this guy (whom I've never heard of - sorry!) believed there was an unspecified gap between the rapture and the events of Revelation. This was a view held by many earlier dispensationalists, but it has really gone out of favour now. Could he be right???

    Your friend and brother,

    Bartholomew
     
  8. LadyEagle

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    Hey, Bartholomew, thanks for your post! [​IMG]

    Some of the old views may just well be the CORRECT views, eh? [​IMG]

    Here are a few more of Larkin's charts:

    http://members.citynet.net/morton/images/ldispen.gif

    http://members.citynet.net/morton/images/church-kingdom.gif

    http://members.citynet.net/morton/images/lheavens.gif

    Our present calendar is off by 4 years (if I remember correctly, but can't remember which way it is off, 4+ or 4- LOL!)

    Larkin's general overview of the dispensations make sense to me in light of the Scriptures and God's dealings with mankind. [​IMG] Haven't seen a better Biblically sound alternative anywhere.
     
  9. Rev. G

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    Yes, and so did other believers for over 1800 years before your system came into place.
     
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    Which is?
     
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    Well, a Covenant approach, for one.

    [ October 14, 2002, 08:21 AM: Message edited by: Rev. G ]
     
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    Yes, and so did other believers for over 1800 years before your system came into place.</font>[/QUOTE]Actually, your information is incorrect:

    "The system of dispensational theology is recent in origin, but there are historical references which where eventually systematized into what we know as dispensationalism. Justin Martyr (110-165) held a concept of differing programs of God (Dialogue with trypho), and in the same work he spoke of the present dispensation's gifts of power (LXXXVII). Irenaeus (130-200) often spoke of the dispensations of God and especially of the Christian dispensation (Against Heresies, V,XXVIII.3). Clement of Alexandria (150-220) spoke of the dispensations of Adam, Noah, Abraham, and Mosaic. Augustine also reflected these early dispensational concepts in his writings (To Marcellinus, CXXXVIII,5,7). (6) Many others have followed, but dispensationalism's earliest influential spokesmen included J.N. Darby, founder of the Plymouth Brethren and considered by many the father of modern dispensationalism; Cyrus I. Scofield, author of the Scofield Reference Bible; Clarence Larkin, whose book of dispensational charts has been in print and selling briskly since 1918; and Ethelbert W. Bullinger was an Anglican clergyman who took dispensationalism to an unprecedented extreme usually called ultradispensationalism. "

    http://www.bibleteacher.org
     
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    In what way? Care to elaborate?
     
  14. KenH

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    SheEagle911, you might be interested in the radio program link in the "Replacement Theology" thread that I posted.

    Ken
     
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    SheEagle911, don't confuse the type of "dispensations" mentioned in the writings of the early church fathers with those of Darby, Scofield, Larkin, etc. Just because some of them used the term "dispensation" does not mean they used it in the same way.

    Many of the early writings indeed see the "1000 years" as taking place after Christ returns, but none of them break down the "dispensations" like Darby/Scofield/Larkin, and none of them believed in a pretrib rapture. RevG's comments are correct, the modern system of "dispensationalism" started in the 1800s.
     
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    Okay, very well. But consider this: :eek:

    Daniel 12:[4] But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
    [8] And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
    [9] And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.


    Of course, if you don't believe we are living in the End Times....
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  17. BrianT

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    It was sealed until John:

    Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.
     
  18. LadyEagle

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    Brian, not all. [​IMG]

    Rev. 10:[4] And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not. :D
     
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    I'm still waiting for "better explanations" and charts.....don't see any forthcoming, though.
    [​IMG]
     
  20. KenH

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    Sometimes I wonder...could dispensational theology survive without charts? [​IMG]

    Ken
     

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