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Anti- drum beat/syncopation

Discussion in 'Music Ministry' started by mamaforhim, Jan 29, 2008.

  1. Rubato 1

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    "(That's a 'mega-dittos')
     
  2. DHK

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    I don't know about the heart, unless you are speaking of the "spiritual heart."
    But I do know that it can affect the brain.

    In Stacey Gale's case every time she would listen to Sean Paul's music, his music would trigger epileptic seizures. That is quite a demonstrative negative impact on the brain. You can read the complete story here.

    http://www.p2pnet.net/story/14702
     
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    The Mozart Myth [link]
     
  4. tinytim

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    I love mythbusters...
    and this episode proved so many ignorant people wrong...

    http://mythbustersresults.com/episode23
    Talking helps plants grow.
    plausible
    Seven small greenhouses were set up on the M5 Industries roof. Four were set up with stereos playing endlessly looping recordings (as having the Mythbusters actually talk to the plants could contaminate the samples with their expelled carbon dioxide): Two of negative speech, two of positive speech (Kari and Scottie each made one positive and one negative soundtrack), a fifth with classical music and a sixth with intense death metal music. A seventh greenhouse, used as a control sample, had no stereo. The greenhouses with the recordings of speech grew better than the control, regardless of whether such talk was kind or angry. The plants in the greenhouse with the recording of classical music grew better, while the plants in the greenhouse with the recording of intense death metal grew best of all.
     
  5. Baptist in Richmond

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    Well, I used to grow dogwood trees when I lived in Tennessee. I would play classical for them (specifically Baroque composers) while I was in class. They seemed to grow better when I played them music.

    Of course, this was NOT scientific, but it did work.

    Okay, I laughed out loud at that.
    :laugh:

    Regards,
    BiR
     
  6. Gold Dragon

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    This data seems to suggest to me that the increased in growth is due increased levels of air vibrations. More sound = more air vibrations = more growth. It would be an interesting test the effect of different levels of wind on the same plants.

    This article from Annals of Botany seems to support that view for low wind speeds. There does seem to be an optimum wind speed and greater than that, plant growth suffers. That speed is likely greater than the vibrations most speakers can make at max volume.
    Annals of Botany: An Optimum Wind speed for Plant Growth
     
  7. Magnetic Poles

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    Funny, coming from a person doing just that.

    It is just the same old racism to try to tie anything remotely "African" to evil. Music is not evil. Music is agnostic when it comes to good v. evil. Acts can be good and evil...not music.
     
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  8. Aaron

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    Music is an act. An intelligent will is required to make music. You can't find it growing in the woods or dig a mine for it. It is a mode of non-verbal, human communication. It is a work and will, therefore, be judged as good or evil.
     
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    Nice personal interpretation there, Aaron. But it doesn't quite line up with reality.

    Music is noise. Whether it is made by a person, a computer, a waterfall, or breaking glass, it is still noise. What most would call good music involves specific tones and possibly a tempo and notes of specified durations.

    Attempting to say that ALL music is a conscious act is going way outside what music is. Besides, who are you to stand in the place of He would will e doing the judging?

    I can agree that music can be non-verbal communication, but that's it... it is non-verbal and there for cannot readily communicate anything, good or bad. What you may hear as bad, another may hear as good. The music is merely the vehicle... without words it has no meaning of good or evil.
     
  10. Sopranette

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    Music is not neutral. It is designed to illicite an emotional response.

    love,

    Sopranette
     
  11. tinytim

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    Emotions are not sins...
    It is not a sin to be excited, happy, joyful, sad, angry..

    So what if music produces emotional responses in us?
    God gave us emotions.
    Be angry, but sin not... someone said that somewhere in a religious book.

    Music is neutral when considering sin verses non-sin
     
  12. tinytim

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    Wait...
    Music is evil...

    Music is sound waves that go through the air, and the Bible says that Satan is the prince and power of the air, therefore music waves are sinful

    so are cell phone waves, Radio waves, Tv waves....
     
  13. Aaron

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    And they're not neutral. Emotions are actions of the heart. Certainly you can't help the things for which you have a strong desire, but your volition it is irrelevant. Do the emotions spring from an evil root? Then they're evil.

    Yes, but He didn't make them incorruptible.

    You need to read it more carefully. The same guy said, "Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice." And in another place, "But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth. "

    No it isn't. Music is an act, and there is no such thing as a neutral act.
     
  14. Aaron

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    What musicologist are you reading? You should take the book back for a refund. You were jipped.

    And you said I had an unrealistic, personal interpretation of the phenomenon? Tell me, when you're having one of your "vibrant" worship experiences at your place of worship, is it to recordings of breaking glass and water falls? or is it to a score composed by a man who arranged certain sounds in a certain way with the design to elicit a certain response?

    Again, you bought the book where . . .???

    God told me that I would judge angels. How much more should I judge matters concerning this life?

    You don't have much of a choice but to agree, if you want to remain a rational participant to the discussion.
    And your degree in communication is from where??? Most of human interaction is non-verbal. Volumes can be communicated by a simple look. Just in typing this I can think of two specific passages of Scripture where simple looks communicate volumes of moral content.
     
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    Are you saying it is a sin to be angry?
    Is it a sin to show emotions?
     
  16. DHK

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    In the realm of sacred music the message must fit the medium. The medium (music) can destroy the message that one is trying to get across. Music can be inherently good or evil. It depends on its designer. If the designer of the music is evil then no doubt the music will be evil. Satan has his agenda.

    Letters of an alphabet are not good or evil. But when put together they can be horribly evil, or gloriously good. It comes from the heart. Music is the same way. It is a medium of communication, and can be used for good or evil.
     
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    Ex 32:17 And when Joshua heard the noise of the people as they shouted, he said unto Moses, There is a noise of war in the camp.
    18 And he said, It is not the voice of them that shout for mastery, neither is it the voice of them that cry for being overcome: but the noise of them that sing do I hear.
    19 And it came to pass, as soon as he came nigh unto the camp, that he saw the calf, and the dancing: and Moses' anger waxed hot, and he cast the tables out of his hands, and brake them beneath the mount
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    Do you suppose this was choral music they heard or worldly, ungodly music? Remember they were singing for the purpose of worship here [vss 7,8].
     
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    A great deal of the music I hear today is produced to create feelings of lust. Isn't lust a sin? Would you play music like this in a church worship service?

    love,

    Sopranette
     
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    Boy, they were dancing and jiving to a good old rock and roll beat right there at the foot of the mountain. That scripture does not back up the argument that having a particular beat is wrong.
     
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    What are you listening to, Sopranette?
     
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