"Anti-Hate" Senate Bill S.1145 threat to Christian liberty in America

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  1. blueridgewv

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    Recommend calls/faxes to oppose this
    anti-constitutional, anti-Christian "hate-crime" legislation which opens Christians to Federal
    government persecution for biblical preaching, speech, etc.. This bill is a
    very present threat and danger to liberty in America.
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    DON'T BE HOODWINKED BY "ANTI-HATE" BILL S. 1145!

    By Rev. Ted Pike
    NATIONAL PRAYER NETWORK,
    P. O. Box 828, Clackamas, OR 97015
    truthtellers.org

    As I spearhead national opposition to "anti-hate" bill S.1145
    (The Local Law Enforcement Hate Crimes Prevention Act of 2005), I receive
    input such as this: "I have read S.1145 and don't find any great conspiracy
    against free speech." Or, "My member of Congress says S.1145 merely provides
    federal assistance to state and Indian tribes in their fight against violent
    hate crimes."

    Here is a brief guide to understanding S.1145's hidden yet
    supremely dangerous agenda.

    This bill empowers the federal government to assume control of
    local hate crimes law enforcement. It establishes unity between federal and
    local law enforcement, thus creating the beginnings of a "police state."
    This enables the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith, creator of this
    legislation, to enforce nationally the kind of persecution against
    Christians which their national executive board member, Philadelphia
    District Attorney Lynne Abraham, enforced locally against 11 Christians on
    October 10, 2004. Preaching at a gay pride rally, they were arrested for
    violation of ADL's Pennsylvania hate law. Possible penalties: 47 years in
    prison and $90,000 fines each. Mercifully, the case against them was thrown
    out by a higher court.

    Lynne Abraham had unrestrained power to command her police
    underlings to arrest the Philadelphia Christians. ADL wants the same federal
    power to enforce its federal hate crimes agenda against Christians,
    right-wing talk show hosts, critics of Israel, pro-lifers, anti-war
    activists, etc., in every town in America.

    Federal Takeover of Law Enforcement

    Instead of telling us how S.1145 threatens our liberties, the
    ADL deceptively portrays this bill as a sincere effort by the federal
    government to respond to a "serious national problem:" violent hate crimes
    in the states and on Indian reservations.

    The real goal of S.1145 is to grant permission to the federal
    government to control local civil rights law enforcement.

    1. Sec.2,4-13 clearly and repeatedly states that occurrence of
    bias-motivated violence in a state entitles the federal government to
    override states' rights in law enforcement, establishing "federal
    jurisdiction over certain violent crimes motivated by bias." (12)

    2. Sec.7(b)(2)(A), strategically positioned near the end of the bill (just
    when most readers and members of Congress are yawning) is a tangle of
    deliberately confusing grammar and legalese terminology. Yet its
    implications are deadly to the future of states' rights. It says that the
    U.S. Attorney General, or his underlings, may pursue hate crimes indictments
    within states if:

    A. States do "not intend to exercise jurisdiction" in prosecuting hate
    crimes in the way the federal government wants them to. In other words, if a
    state wants to prosecute all crime according to physical evidence, not "bias
    motivation," and reject a federal ADL hate law for their state, then the
    federal government has the right to swoop in and enforce the federal hate
    law and its "bias motivation" legal philosophy, whether that state likes it
    or not. Sec.7(b)(2)(A)

    B. If states do not obtain the kind of verdict the federal government wishes
    in a hate crimes trial, the government also has the right to intervene and
    violate states' rights, presumably retrying the case to their satisfaction.
    Sec.7(b)(2)(D)

    Slippery Legislation

    By its obscurity and deceptiveness, ADL has crafted S.1145 to
    slip like an eel through Congress. This literally happened September 14,
    2005 when Amendment 2662 slithered through the House of Representatives in
    only 45 minutes! But, this eel has fangs. It squirms toward one dark
    objective: Creation of a vast Orwellian anti-hate bureaucracy and police
    state with ADL lurking behind the scenes - to seize and silence the
    politically incorrect anywhere in America.

    From a supreme position of power over all federal and local law
    enforcement, the ADL will be able to enforce its twisted definition that
    "hate" means bias against federally protected groups, particularly Jews and
    homosexuals. All Bible-believing Christians will become "haters," just as
    D.A. Lynne Abraham viewed them as they preached in the Philadelphia public
    square last year.

    Take a Second Look

    So, to all who haven't seen a conspiracy in S.1145, even after
    reading it, I say: Read it again more deeply. Consider how that similar
    ADL/B'nai B'rith legislation has ended free speech in Canada, and European
    countries. You must see S.1145 for what it is: possibly the most dangerous
    threat to states' rights, evangelical Christianity, free speech, and freedom
    itself which has ever been proposed to Congress.


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    WHAT WE CAN DO

    PROTEST S.1145 TO ALL MEMBERS OF THE SENATE! These
    senators are listed at www.truthtellers.org. Call toll free 1-888-355-3588
    or toll 1-202-225-3121. With only one phone call, you can be transferred
    from one office to the other upon your request, calling all 55 in about 20
    minutes. Tell them "I want to express my disapproval of the hate bill
    S.1145!"

    The members of the Senate Judiciary Committee may well decide
    this week to approve S.1145 as part of the Children's Safety Act of 2005,
    H.R.3132. As happened in the House of Representatives on September 14th,
    this bill could move through the Senate very rapidly. All members of the
    Senate, especially Republicans, must hear from you NOW!!!

    Email this article to all Republican members of the Senate.
    Click on their names at www.truthtellers.org to visit their website and
    paste this article into their online email contact form.

    Confused about S.1145? Ted Pike's gripping 80-minute video, in
    VHS or DVD, "Hate Laws: Making Criminals of Christians," completely explains
    the history and objectives of S.1145. Order it for $24.90 at
    www.truthtellers.org. or call 503-631-3808.

    TALK SHOW HOSTS: Invite Rev. Ted Pike back on the air to
    generate a tidal wave of communications to Senate members. Call Rev. Pike at
    503-631-3808.


    NATIONAL PRAYER NETWORK, P. O. Box 828, Clackamas, OR 97015
     
  2. Daisy

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    Yea! Hurrah for hate & violence!!
     
  3. carpro

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    Hate crime legislation is a waste of time and effort in many different areas.

    Another manifestation of the political correctness insanity sweeping the nation.
     
  4. Robert J Hutton

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    This reminds me of a bill being debated in the British Parliament entitled "Incitement to religious hatred". If it passed then a Christian can go to prison for telling a Muslim/Hindu/sikh/Buddhist that he is going to Hell unless he receives Christ.

    Incidentally, are you not covered by the 1st amendment on these issues?

    Kind regards to all

    Bob
     
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    The first amendment only applies to those that can afford the legal expenses to fight for that right in court long enough to win the case.
     
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    This kind of legislation can be far more than that.
     
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    Oh boy! Wait till the Canadians get on your case about this thread. You will be doing a lot of talking. Mercury, where are you my friend?
     
  8. Gold Dragon

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    For those interested, here is the actual bill. I have quoted a few sections that may be of interest.

     
  9. Gold Dragon

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    The statement in the OP that the bill is taking away states rights is also false. The amendment actually restricts the existing powers of the federal government by adding the statement:

    And then goes on to limit the federal government being able to only handle those cases involving the crossing of state or country lines:

    The next section also puts a lot of requirements and restrictions on the federal government, requiring them to consult the state and only work on cases where:

     
  10. blueridgewv

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    Restrictive measures? Broadening measures....easy for Feds to excercise Carte Blanche. These are legal loopholes, numerous and large enough to weazle in. IT IS FEDERALIZATION OF LAW ENFORCEMENT ACCORDING TO THEIR PREMISE AND IDEALOGY ENACTED BY THE ADL.

    (You can mind Canada's legislation).
     
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    EVERYONE!!! Pray that this Bill will not be passed. It is HIGH & PAST DUE time for the Army of the Lord to arise & say "We Want America Back!" Tell all your friends and family about this bill and tell them to call their local senator and ask them to please don't vote for it.
     
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    One minute we are police underlings, and the next (usually after someone has taken their television set due to their inability to lock a window) we are the law. [​IMG]

    Daisy...my thoughts exactly. [​IMG]

    Why Poncho, I didnt know you were thrown in jail for speaking your mind! Tell me where to send the dollar so we can bail you out faster next time. [​IMG]
     
  13. carpro

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    </font>[/QUOTE]If it read this way:


    `(a) In General-

    `(1) OFFENSES INVOLVING ACTUAL OR PERCEIVED RACE, COLOR, RELIGION, OR NATIONAL ORIGIN- Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person.
    ...

    `(2) OFFENSES INVOLVING ACTUAL OR PERCEIVED RELIGION, NATIONAL ORIGIN, GENDER, SEXUAL ORIENTATION, OR DISABILITY-

    `(A) IN GENERAL- Whoever, whether or not acting under color of law, in any circumstance described in subparagraph (B), willfully causes bodily injury to any person or, through the use of fire, a firearm, or an explosive or incendiary device, attempts to cause bodily injury to any person.


    Would it not still be a crime?
     
  14. Gold Dragon

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    Just an fyi that the (1) section section is currently in the United States Code and is being amended/replaced by the (2) section.

    The (2) section is a title for the detailed description in (2)(A). So your modification would make the title have nothing to do with the description. Such a law already exists.
     
  15. carpro

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    Just an fyi that the (1) section section is currently in the United States Code and is being amended/replaced by the (2) section.

    The (2) section is a title for the detailed description in (2)(A). So your modification would make the title have nothing to do with the description. Such a law already exists.
    </font>[/QUOTE]And one is just as useless and pointless as the other.
     
  16. freedom's cause

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    christians should be on the ball with this one
    we must enter into mosques record the messages
    have someone decode them and sue every mosque in
    America that preaches hate against christians or otherwise we can and should use this to our advantage and close down every mosque preaching hate or distributing hate literature in America
     
  17. Gold Dragon

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    I would hope Christians would be more interested in spending their time being loving witnesses of Christ to muslims than recording their sermons to entrap them.
     
  18. Gold Dragon

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    A correction. I was wrong about section (1) being currently in the code and it being replaced by section (2).

    Here is the 2000 edition of the United States Code.

    United States Code : Title 18, Part I, Chapter 13 - Civil Rights

    Section 249 does not exist and is the proposed bill to be added.
     
  19. carpro

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    Thank you for the correction.
    Back to my original question.

    Leaving out these words, " because of the actual or perceived race, color, religion, or national origin of any person--"


     
  20. Robert J Hutton

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    Further to my earlier post you may be interested to know that the Upper House (House of Lords) in the UK parliament has voted by a large majority to "water down" the Government's planned attempt to make "incitement to religous hatred" a criminal offence.

    The govt. can overturn this but it is lergley believed that they will seek a compromise.

    Kind regards and Christian love to all.

    Bob
     

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