Antichrist reigning !

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    One of the ways it is known that we are in the days of the reign of Antichrist, and that day of apostasy Paul describes here 2 Thess 2:3-4

    3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    This is so because the religious world in general has departed from the Faith that was once delivered to the Saints, foundational upon the Person and Work of the Lord Jesus Christ and His Obedience minus any personal obedience and or conditions of our own, but His obedience alone being that which Justifies an Elect People before God !

    This was notably preached by the Apostle Paul in Rom 5 where He Illustrates the basis of our Justification and Righteousness before God in a comparison between Adam and the Lord Jesus Christ in their Covenant Head Capacities, comparing the effects of Adam's headship disobedience and Christ's Headship obedience See Rom 5:19, and from this Paul highlights that Adam's disobedience is the meritorious cause of our sinnership, that disobedience being imputed to us without any personal or actual sin of our own, yet we were constituted sinners ! Now in like manner, The obedience of Christ, in offering Himself a sacrifice for our [The Church] sins, making satisfaction to God's Law and Justice, in obedience to His Father's command Heb 10:4-10; Jn 10:18, and this being the meritorious effectual cause of our being constituted Righteous, by imputation without any personal obedience of ours to go along with it ! This is the Gospel that Paul Preached, A Righteousness Imputed without works or conditions, or personal obedience, and any Gospel that deviates from this one is a False Gospel and Characterizes the Apostasy in these last days right up to the Second Coming ! Antichrist is now reigning supremely, because every religion without exception has some kind of condition man must meet !
     
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    Are you inferring or implying that all who oppose your view of ETERNAL JUSTIFICATION are of the Anti-Christ?
     
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    Read the OP, I stated quite clearly what I meant. Now address the points I made with scripture or leave it alone !
     
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    First, you jerked this text out of context. In context he is referring to those things that precede His coming rather than describing any doctrines embraced by the apostasy which ushers in the literal antichrist.

    Second, when he does describe the apostasy in verses 8-12 the first and foremost chief characteristic of it is that it is a movement that follows after and is deceived by Apostolic like miracles, signs and wonders:

    9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;,

    This does not apply to Baptists in general or with much of evangelical denominations. Of course that makes no difference to your blind perverted mind does it? You will apply it to whomever you see fit regardless of the Biblical context and cheif characteristics??

    The second cheif sign is that they reject the "truth" of the gospel that the elect where chosen to salvation "THROUGH....beleif of the truth." The truth "WHEREUNTO you were called by our gospel"

    What is "the truth" proclaimed in the gospel? Paul spells it out in 1 Cor. 15:3-4 the gospel he preached to them and proclaimed and it is simply the substitutionary death, burial and resurrection for sinners by Jesus Christ.

    You have no clue what are talking about!
     
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    No I did not, the context is scripture. You are being evasive !
     
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    I presented the contextual evidence so answer it!
     
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    When a Person comes to believing, it is because he or she has come to apprehend their Salvation, Justification and Righteousness has been freely given them of God, they have been convinced of that, and so it is error to teach that believing is a condition one performs to make these things True of them, but we are convinced of them to be already true of us because of Christ's Work, then we believe or Trust in the things revealed to and by Faith !

    Also when they come to truly believe of their Justification by Faith for the first time as it is declared to them, they also come to realize that it [Justification by Christ] was a reality hid in God before the foundation of the World, because from everlasting, Christ did satisfy God's Law and Justice, in that He became a Surety for the their sins, and God ever rested well pleased in the Suretyship of Christ Matt 3:17, therefore He laid aside all wrath and condemnation against them, laying it squarely on the shoulders of their Surety to bear it in due time !
     
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    No one has said that. Believing does not make God's Purpose or provision any more TRUE of them from God's Perspective than it has always been true of them but rather it does make it PERSONALLY and EXPERIENTIALLY TRUE of them by direct application as they were not previously regenerated but now are, they were not previously justified by faith but now are, they were not previousy indwelt by the Spirit of God but now are, they were not previously converted to the gospel but now are. They were no previously a new creature in Christ but now are. .



    That is false! He never satisfied it until he actually satisfied it on the cross. You confuse Covenant PROMISE with covenant FULFILLMENT. The two are not the same and the scriptures make it very clear that God operated prior to Calvary toward the elect BY PROMISE not by fulfillment:

    Lu 1:72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

    There is no need to "perform" what is already accomplished.

    Ro 1:2 (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)

    His "suretyship" was merely His PROMISE to do what He covenanted to do. His promise did not satisfy God's law or else He would not have to even go to the cross. It was the cross that satisfied God:


    Isa. 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

    You are making a serious theological error when you say and present his "promise" equal to "fulfillment" when in fact it is not! To say it is as good as fulfillment because CHRIST WILL NOT FAIL TO DO IT is one thing but to say it is EQUAL to fulfillment and thus accomplished before the world began is SERIOUS ERROR and total repudiation of God's own words:

    "I purpose it, I WILL ALSO DO IT"
     
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    Yes I have stated that millions of times, however it did not make it experientially and personally True to God. So their Justification before Him was True before they knew about it !

    Even while they themselve were by nature dead in unbelief and children of wrath, they were Justified before God , as if they never sinned ! That is the Truth you deny and it antichrist, because its because of Christ that they are Justified before God while they are unbelievers and enemies in themselves !
     
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    Purpose does mean fulfillment even with God as Isaiah 46:11 explicitly states and calls your doctrine a lie!

    You obviously do not understand the meaning of "as if"! The words "as if" deny it really is but only regards it so in spite of the fact it really is not so or else you would never have to say "if."

    The elect IS NOT justified in his person before regeneration. He is only justified by God's purpose YET UNFULFILLED in the person of the elect. He is only justified by God's legal provision YET UNFULFILLED in the person of the elect and so that person IS under the wrath of God as they are IN THEIR OWN PERSON still "children of wrath EVEN AS OTHERS."

    Your doctrine is false.
     
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    Christ's Death is an fact. And even before it became a fact in time, non imputation of the sins of the elect were a fact before time and God's purpose not to punish the elect for their sins was before time, that was their Justification in God's Mind.
     
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    You are deluded and live in delusion.
     
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    We will see at the Judgment who was deluded !
     
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    3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


    NAME, PLEASE.
     
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    Not one word has disproven my response above
     
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    1 Jn 2:2 has been corrupted !



    1 Jn 2:2

    And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

    This is one verse the Antichrist crowd has hijacked to promote their false teaching. Christ our Propitiation or our satisfaction or our appeasing for our sins, before God's Law and Justice. How can any member of this world, that John is pointing out here, how can any member of it be under God's wrath and condemnation as per Jn 3:18,36 ?

    For the world here is the world which Christ died for and therefore whose sins were never imputed to it 2 Cor 5:19

    19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

    And Christ is continually being a propitiation for this World before God's Law and Justice, for He is it's Advocate ! The words He is in 1 Jn 2:2 are in the present tense, He is in a continual state presently being our Propitiation for our sins before God's Law and Justice, and against all accusations of the law, and the Devil and our enemies.

    Christ has in fulfillment of the Type, offered Himself in dying, and then as our intercessor and advocate entered into within the veil, into Heaven itself, to present His Blood before God; To sprinkle it as it were on and before the Mercy Seat, and to present His Satisfaction or Propitiation continuously there for us, that is the Whole Elect World or Church for which He died ! Heb 8:1-2,6

    Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

    2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

    6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

    Now in propitiation Christ is presently, for all whom He died 1 Jn 2:2 ,presenting His perfect obedience and Death with its infinite merit before the Father in Heaven, and this merit needs not to be applied to any to effect its benefits, for it [Christ's Blood] has been applied to God's Law and Justice, By Christ Himself to sustain the propitiation. Remember He went as it were into the veil to apply His Blood before and Upon the mercy Seat Heb 9:12

    12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

    Those who carelessly rush to 1 Jn 2:2 for a proof text for Christ dying for every human being without exception, have acted foolishly, for God cannot and will not execute wrath upon any whom Christ hath died, shed His Blood Rom 5:9

    Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

    That is, His Blood being a propitiation for our sins, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. False teachers will give an account for this their wresting of scripture in the Day of Judgment !
     
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    How can AC be ruling this world when none of you know who he is?
     
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    Mans spiritual inability !



    When scripture indicates that none can come to the Son except the Father draw him Jn 6:44, or that it must be given to come Jn 6:65, it means that one has to be given repentance of God Acts 11:18; 5:31, hence the coming to Christ to believe on Him is but EVIDENCE that God hath granted to one repentance, if we believed the Truth as an result, for both God given Faith and Repentance results in the acknowledging and embracing of the Truth 2 Tim 2:25

    In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

    Titus 1:1


    Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

    This is to acknowledge the Truth as it is in Christ, the Mystery of the Faith 1 Tim 3:9

    Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.

    The deep truths of the Gospel !

    And the natural man cannot do that ?
     
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    A Erronous Misconception about Faith !



    Faith is not a condition man meets in order for God to fulfill a promise to that person, that is a false witness as to what True Faith is, but True Faith is taking God at His Word of Promise ! This principle is demonstrated with Sarah,Abraham's Wife; For God had made a promise that she would have a Son, and upon hearing of this promise for the first time, Sarah laughed in unbelief, because physically she was not able, so all natural reasoning was not able to embrace this Promise of God. Gen 18:8-15

    8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

    9 And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the tent.

    10 And he said, I will certainly return unto thee according to the time of life; and, lo, Sarah thy wife shall have a son. And Sarah heard it in the tent door, which was behind him.

    11 Now Abraham and Sarah were old and well stricken in age; and it ceased to be with Sarah after the manner of women.

    12 Therefore Sarah laughed within herself, saying, After I am waxed old shall I have pleasure, my lord being old also?


    13 And the Lord said unto Abraham, Wherefore did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I of a surety bear a child, which am old?

    14 Is any thing too hard for the Lord? At the time appointed I will return unto thee, according to the time of life, and Sarah shall have a son.

    15 Then Sarah denied, saying, I laughed not; for she was afraid. And he said, Nay; but thou didst laugh.

    Now moving ahead, What changed Sarah's attitude of unbelief to the testimony of scripture later given her here Heb11:11

    11 Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.

    Now we know from the outset that Sarah did not judge Him Faithful who had promised, Just read again Gen 18:8-15, So what happened ? Now understand this, God's Promise to give Sarah and Abraham a Son, was not contingent upon their belief or faith, for the Promise was Solely dependent Upon God's Ability and His Purpose and Time, for all of us are born into this world by Time and Purpose set by God Ecclesiastes 3:1-2

    To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:

    2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

    This was even True of the Lord Jesus Christ i n His Humanity, there was a set time for Him to be born Gal 4:4 and set time for Him to die Jn 12:23; So God was revealing or making known to Sarah and Abraham of a Birth that God had already purposed, the Birth of Issac, he was a Child promised, or a child of promise, whom his parents would be and the time of his birth were settled facts before the world began ! So what happened ? Its simple, God gave her Faith and Abraham to believe the promise, to rest in His word of promise and Divine Ability, and so It is, when God makes a promise to someone, no matter how improbable it may seem to flesh and blood, and the circumstances, but because God cannot lie, He then gives the Faith to believe in His Word or to take Him at His Word of Promise. God's Promising as He promised Eternal Life Titus 1:1-2, will eventually work or cause Faith in the ones promised to, so they rest in His Ability, and this is a Spiritual Blessing, not a Natural one, that is seen by not only Sarah's initial unbelief, but also Abraham at first doubted the Promise Gen 17:15-17, But God did give them both to give Him Glory and Trust His Ability and promise Rom 4:19-21

    19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sarah's womb:

    20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;

    21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.

    So ones unbelief in God's Promise does not hinder God's faithfulness, but God's Faithfulness will cause them to change from unbelief to Faith and to give Him the Glory !
     
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    lol, you two really go at eachother :) billwald keep out of it :) or is billwald an alias of one of them hehe....
     

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