Featured Antichrist reigning !

the bib

No you are ignoring a clear Truth in that context Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

One is made Righteous soley by the Obedience of One ! No matter how you try to deny it !

 

The elect were made sinners before God by Adam's act of disobedience before they were born under the personal application of it or before they became subjective sinners personally and experientially. In like manner the Elect were made Righteous before God by Christ's Act of Obedience before they are born again under the personal application of it or before they became Righteous Personally or experientially ! Thats what Rom 5:19 teaches, and so all the rest of the passage must be understood in the same fashion to avoid contradiction of a clear teaching, thats biblical hermeneutics !

 

the bib

Its not against it, you just reject the Truth of it. But its not going nowhere. Those whom Christ died for are made Righteous solely by His Death apart from from any application work of the Holy Spirit which causes their obedience ! We know Paul is not concerned with their obedience at this point because his point is the act of only One and its consequence ! Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

You deny this, you deny the Gospel that Paul Preached here, which makes this True of you Gal 1:8-9

8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Also I have taught what Rom 5:17 means here:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=75092

 

the bib

All that natural reasoning will not change the Truth. Those who Christ died for are made Righteous by that one act of obedience Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Christ's Blood was applied by Him to God's Law and Justice ! See when Christ died, He was acting as Our High Priest, and as the type, on the day of Atonement would take the Blood behind the Veil into the Holy of Holies to apply before and upon the mercy, so Christ the AntiType took His Blood before the mercy Seat of God and it appeased God's Wrath against those the High Priest Represented. Heb 9:24

24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

Christ the High Priest offered His Blood and Applied it to God's Law and Justice, Just as the Type use to apply the blood of animals.

The People had no part in this, they did not have to accept the Work of the Hight Priest, the Work of the High Priest did not need to be personally applied to them in order for God to be appeased , pacified, or propitiated.

The Success of the Work depended solely upon the High Priest and God. If God did accept the Work of the High Priest and he came back out from behind the curtains without dying by the Judgment of God, then all knew God was pacified for that Year.

So your application work of the Holy Spirit has nothing to do with the Work of the offering of the High Priest that satisfied God's Wrath against the people !

So you deny the work of Christ, no other way to put it. See ya at the Judgment !

Also,because of the success of this High Priest Work, the Elect are reconciled into the Favor of God, even while they themselves are enemies and unbelievers ! So that in and of itself lets us no that the Application of The Spirit has not taken place yet ! And yet they are reconciled to God !

 

the bib

Thats not what it says or means. Because at the Application of the Holy Spirit, that brings about our obedience 1 Pet 1:2

Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Then you contradict the plain teaching of the Gospel where Paul taught we were made Righteous by the Obedience of One ! Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

At your current pace you are denying this Truth, not a good sign of being a God called teacher !

 

The bib

No it doesnt. The Elect are Righteous while they are being enemies, for they are Reconciled to God while they are enemies. Now, the Reconciled never had any sin imputed to their Charge if we understand 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Non Imputation of Sin and Reconciliation go hand and hand !

 

the bib

Thats a rabbit trail. Sin was not imputed to a whole world of People 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Nobody born into the said world is born condemned for any sin they begin to committ upon physical birth, that goes for Abraham and anyone else Christ died for ! From the beginning of the World until now !

 

Non Imputation in 2 Cor 5:19

Even though I'm convinced that non imputation of sin preached in 2 Cor 5:19 was that of the Terms of the Everlasting Covenant Established before the World began and at which time Christ was confirmed as the Surety of the Covenant Heb 7:22 or Testament, yet for the opposer's of this great Gospel Truth, lets say that 2 Cor 5:19 is referring to the Cross at its actual time in Human History in or around 33 ad, then it would stand for reason that the Non Imputation described here is the one and same with the imputing of sins unto Christ, in order for Him to die for them 1 Cor 15:3

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

And that being the case, for who can deny that Christ had to have had their sins imputed to Him, in order for Him to die for them ! Then at least no one Christ died for since 33 ad can be born in their sins, yes they can be born sinners, but they are born sinners that do not have the legal guilt and condemnation of breaking God's Law against them, and they are born sinners already reconciled to God by THE DEATH OF HIS SON !

Because it was His Death that satisfied God's Law and Justice for them against every transgression they will ever commit against it, God's Law. So, legally they are born Justified and Reconciled sinners In God's Sight !

 

You are lying on me again. I have never denied that, I stated clearly they are born sinners. What you think that is , if not depraved ? Is that the only way you can debate and refute what I state is by blatant lying ?

Here is my statement you lied about,misreperesnted, which is the same as lying

 

dhk

You need to calm down and stop with the accusations !

And it was a lie in my opinion, for I never stated that those Chtidt died for are not born depraved, in fact I stated they are born sinners, and stated something entirely different, just because you are a mod you feel you can bully me, and frighten me with infractions, well go ahead give me a fraction, put me off the board if you like, but you are a bold face liar !

Thats what the scripture says, Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.