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the Apostles reaffirmed ONLY 9 Commandments to be valid today to the Church, but the real point is that we are not under the adminstartion of the law, but of Grace, so we can and must walk in the Spirit and will be founding doing the moral aspects of the law....

 

Those saved by grace though do NOT see it as excuse to sin on freely, but as an excuse to walk worthy of that graet salvation, as we realise that he died for "such a worm as I"

Many under Lordship/Reformed see those like me advocating loose living, as not under the law, but would say that I am now under the Law of Christ, as the Lord does still want me to walk in obedience, but to do that in the power of the Spirit!

 

I am NOT saying that we are not obligated to keep the Moral aspect of the law, as the NT brought them over to us today, but that we do NOT keep them as under the old Covenant, but as in the empowering of the Holy Spirit, as he will produce in and thru us what could NOT get done by the law under the old, as were but but sinful flesh that time!

 

I've been off line for a couple of days due to DSL problems. So, I'm in catchup mode.

This is an observation, in general.

Sometimes I wish (as a layman), we could be back in the days of bush arbors. Sitting on rough benches. Listening to a GOD CALLED circuit riding preacher, bringing us the gospel from his well worn and tattered Bible. Rejoicing and praising God, when a new brother or sister walks to a nearby water source.










I know that's an idealistic vision.

 

EWF, why do you think we cannot have an opinion on this without listening to this one recording? I know that you know that this issue is bigger than him and it is addressed in Scripture and by other people in other places.

 

I am just starting to listen to the sermon...however, as I begin, I realize EWF has pulled a fast one on us all:

Sinclair Ferguson has a Scottish accent...and therefore sounds very theological and authoritative to our American ears...so it really is not fair...since we are hard-wired to listen to and give weight to anything we hear in a Scottish accent. :laugh:

 

LOL Maybe. I know I enjoy listening to Alistair Begg. However, I also like reading his works. I may or may not read it with an accent.

 

They have NEVER been in disuninity, only faced seperation between father and Son on the Cross!

 

That is not what is happening at all.

When Christ was on this earth He said to do the will of the Father was meat for Him. He also said He only does the things the Father does and says the things that the Father says. He also says that He and the Father are One.

What He then accomplished on the cross as not at odds with God and His Will but a fulfillment of God's plan according to His Will. This was by will and by design done before the foundation of the world.

Looking at the sacrifice of Christ as final and perfect we see that He fulfilled all of the ceremonial portions of the Law and His righteousness fulfilled the moral. His righteousness being washed over and applied to us enables us walk in obedience to God. The Spirit being in us enables this obedience.

When we consider Col 2 and Rom 14 we see that the Sabbath is no longer a requirement of us. This is because Christ is our sabbath rest. This is, however, a shadow of the real rest to come to us in eternity.

The remaining 9 commandments are re-commanded in one form or another to the NT Church. It is, again, the Spirit that enables us to walk in obedience. Now, we have to choose moment by moment if we are going to walk in the flesh or in the Spirit. We obey not because it is Law, but because of love.

 

And that would be where for the first time reformed of the NCT and the Dispys would agree !

 

I think you may be unfairly representing a certain position, and as Mr. Ferguson said in the sermon you linked to said: "It would be an unhappy thing if we condemned men in Christ for positions which they did not espouse."

While it is undeniable that the 10 commandments form the backbone of the Moral law in the OT...It is difficult to make a case that they ARE the moral law, because God gave other laws, which do not seem to make it into the discussion.

Another difficulty is that there is no Sabbath command given in the NT, as already pointed out...but neither is there a definite Shift establishing Sunday as the new Sabbath...were we to actually obey the Sabbath, we would be forced to observe it on Saturday. It is inconsistent to insist on Sabbath observance, but make it apply to Sunday...unless perhaps it doesn't matter what day it is...as long as we take one sabbath day per week?

 

No, God forbid that one saved by the Grace of God turns that to freedom to willingly sin on!

rather, you and I both agree that the law expresses the absolute moral standards of God, and that He has demands for us to obey them, we are just saying that when jesus fulfilled the law for our sakes, we have before God kept them perfectly, as we are now found to be in Christ, so can be freely justified, and now start to be sanctified, and THAT processis in the power of the Holy spirit!
Since the Spirit is the One who lives and moves in us, why would we desire to willfully and continually sin against Him?

 

You make serious accusations against me with no evidence. As God wrote through Paul grace is not a license to sin.

I don't know whats gotten into your craw but you have become as insulting and intellectually dishonest as some others here. You remind me of one person in particular.