ANWAR passes house - attached to a Defense Bill

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  1. LadyEagle

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    AP news

    And this, my friends, is a perfect example of how your elected officials can give away all your rights, tagged onto the back of a bill you might approve of, without you even knowing they are doing same. Had they not passed the defense bill, they would be accused of turning their backs on our military. So HOW SNEAKY IS THIS?

    But they passed it, and gave away a pristine wildlife refuge for big oil to drill and ship oil to Japan or somewhere. And for those of you who think this oil drilling will benefit you at the pump, oh, yeah...that's the same hook, line, and sinker they told us about the Alaskan pipe line decades ago.

    At any rate, the Senate will likely approve this unless it is separated from the defense bill.

    If you still think your elected officials really care about what you think about any issue.... :rolleyes:
     
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    We have benefitted from oil drilling a couple of decades ago in Alaska.

    Oil is fungible and priced in the worldwide market, so regardless of where oil is shipped an increased quantity of oil helps to lower the price of crude oil worldwide.

    That being said, as much as I approve of drilling in ANWR, I don't like these "Christmas tree" bills in Congress.
     
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    It is about time they did this. I won't even miss ANWAR. It will be great to do something, however, that will reduce our reliance upon foreign oil from the Middle East. Kudos to the Congress for getting it done. [​IMG]

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    Have you ever been there?

    First of all, the area they will drill is an area about the size of Dulles airport in an area the size of Germany and France put together.

    Second of all, it shouldn't be up to the Fed.
     
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    Ladyeagle,

    John McCain's anti torture law was passed in the exact same way. Do you feel the same way about that legislation being tagged on to the appropriation bill?
     
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    guitarpreacher....

    He shoots, he scores!!!!!
     
  7. LadyEagle

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    Yep, I sure do. Each bill should be passed or defeated on it's own merit. The present system is a sloppy way to do business. If they spent time doing what they are elected to do instead of spending so much time with special interest groups/lobbyists and attending all the Washington DC social functions, they would have time to devote to what they are elected to do, instead of cramming bills together to pass or fail in one swoop. Disgusting.
     
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    Can you say "Line Item Veto"????
     
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    Bingo on the line item veto gp.

    LE, the voracity of the pseudo enviro's lobbying makes the piggy back method necessary, so that these big shot congressmen can get their pork barrels rolled out and filled up. So it's natural for them to attach riders like the ANWR one to pass it while being able to tell their constituants that they couldn't help it, as we had to fund the war, or we simply couldn't allow the highway bill to fail, etc. etc, etc.

    Where I disagree with you on this one is that I see it as absolutely good and proper to drill anywhere up there in Northern Alaska, where proven fields are. They leave a very small footprint and virtually no one goes there anyway. The animals couldn't care less.
     
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    For the most part I agree with LE that no tag ons should be allowed, but you can make the case that reducing our dependance on foreign oil is a matter of national security.
     
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    Actually, when the pipeline was built, the Chicken Littles came out of the woodwork; the end result was that the caribou had safer breeding grounds, and it actually helped them multiply, which means we can hunt more caribou and eat better.

    But, I agree that it's a shame that this is the way politics is played (riders on bills), but until the rules are changed, that's the only way to do it.

    Not to sound like a broken record (for those of you who knows what that means), but "Line Item Veto".
     
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    Here is an interesting article. [Link]

    Wow: and I even referenced the Washington Times.....

    :eek:

    Regards to everyone,
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    This is old news. Better late than never.

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    And yet, it is still news. If there is anything in the article that is not valid, then by all means enlighten me...

    Regards,
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    Did I say anything in there wasn't valid. It just doesn't matter to me.

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    Did I claim that you did? I simply made a statement, didn't I?

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    It doesn't matter?

    Here is what you wrote last night @ 9:40:

    Does the ANWR drilling do anything with respect to reducing "our reliance upon foreign oil from the Middle East?" From that link:

    I guess the easy answer to that question is that it is far too early to know.

    Regards,
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  18. KenH

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    A million barrels per day in about an 83 million barrels per day oil market will have some impact. We'll know more after drilling commences and then production commences and the oil hits the marketplace. My guess is that at today's prices it will lower the price of oil by about 1.2% which at today's prices would be about $0.72/bbl. If in ten years the price of oil is higher then the impact will be greater than $0.72/bbl., if lower then the impact will be less than $0.72/bbl.

    Of course, none of this happens in a vacuum and we have to look at the cumulative impact of other oil finds that will take place during the next ten years, such as the company I work for finding lots of oil offshore Malaysia as well as finding oil offshore of Congo and in the Gulf of Mexico.
     
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    Ah so, Conservation is unimportant as long as the Oil Companies get what they want and you all can drive your SUVS?

    Well, now what a wonderful attitude!

    Kiwimac
     
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    I agree, I don't think they should hide items in bills that have nothing to do with the bill itself, even if we support the hidden item. They do this all the time. I am in favor of not only requiring each item to be voted on as a separate bill, but also making it a requirement that they are not allowed to vote on a bill unless they read it. I would guess that 75% or more of the bills that are voted on by Congress are never read by Congress. It's a shame what is being passed of as "proper government" these days. Our founding fathers are turning in their grave.

    It's time for some major reform in Washington!!
     

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