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Any full preterists?

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  1. RIDER

    RIDER New Member

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    Am I the only full preterist here?
     
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  2. Gina B

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    No. There are one or two, perhaps they'll respond. (partial here in the basic sense, but don't tell anyone ;) )
    Gina
     
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  3. Frank

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    Please define preterist.
     
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  4. Joseph_Botwinick

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    I am at least a partial preterist. I still don't have everything figured out and am still studying some issues that come up every now and then.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #4 Joseph_Botwinick, Mar 30, 2004
  5. RIDER

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    Basically, it's that all prophecy, including Christ's second coming, were fullfilled at or before AD 70.
     
    #5 RIDER, Mar 31, 2004
  6. Emily

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    Im not a preterist that I know of, but this is something I am EXTREMELY fascinated in learning about..

    my Lutheran friend will probably be marrying a Presbyterian who grew up dutch reform, and she is completely against any talk of millenialism.. It will be interesting to see how it pans out.. but, Im interested in learning about preteristism.
     
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  7. Ray Berrian

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    Preterists are wrong because of their interpretation about the Fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. This view is in error because most conservative theologians will tell us that the Apostle John wrote the Book of Revelation in 95 A.D., [Dr. Merrill C. Tenney] so all but the first three are future events to our life time. Preterism defrauds much of the O.T. Scripture. Case in point--Jesus has still not become the 'Ruler in Israel.' [Micah 5:2 & Zechariah 14:1-21]

    I am not trying to 'hyjack' your topic but Preterism is the worst of error.
     
    #7 Ray Berrian, Mar 31, 2004
  8. RIDER

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    I'm afraid you are in error. The AD 95 date of Reveleation is most popular today, but it was only recently that that idea was promoted. Modern theologians like Max King, Jay Adams, Foy Wallace, Jr.; Franklin Camp; and others believe a pre-AD 70 date. Also look at some verses in Revelation.


    Revelation 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

    Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.


    This would suggest that the temple was intact. But it was destroyed at the seige of Jerusalem in AD 70. Also you might want to check out the book What Happened In 70 AD by Edward E. Stevens
    for good evidence for a pre-AD 70 date
     
    #8 RIDER, Mar 31, 2004
  9. cotton

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    Rider;

    Do preterists believe all prophecy is finished?
    Do they believe the resurrection has occured?

    Thanks,
    Cotton
     
    #9 cotton, Mar 31, 2004
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    If it were all over with we wouldn't all be here would we.
     
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  11. Ray Berrian

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    Your explanation about Revelation is so flimsy that I hardly want to argue the point.

    What would be the point of measuring the Temple after it was already built and enjoyed? There would be not point to it.

    Revelation eleven speaks to the issue to the coming Great Tribulation Temple that the antichrist will desecrate. [II Thess. 2:4]

    In order to hold to a Preterist view, among many things, like the 'two olive trees' remain unexplained. The two witnesses are Elijah and Enoch who will preach about how to be saved and of the soon judgment coming at the close of the Great Tribulation and the Second Coming of Christ. They will be killed and God will cause them to ascend into Heaven just as our Lord did 2,004 years ago. [11:12] Jerusalem is referred to as you know in verse eight. These two witnesses will preach the last half of the Great Tribulation as John the Apostle declares in verse three. About 3 ½ years. God gives authority to these two prophets to kill all who oppose the message from the Lord God. [vs.5]

    The vision of the Millennial Temple (not the Great Tribulation Temple) will be built either before or at the arrival of Jesus the Messiah as mentioned in Ezekiel 40-48. The Temple that Christ will reign from for 1,000 years is mentioned at least once in every chapter. My quick numbering of this Temple with a highlighter is thirty-eight times in eight chapters. That seems like an emphasis to me. The words are: 'the inner court, outer court, Temple, inner Temple, the House, the sanctuary and so on. The Sabbath worship and solemn feast days are also part of the subject material.

    Revelation chapter eleven is not about the time period just after Jesus ascension until 70 A.D.
    Israel will rise again and will eventually return to the Lord. [Romans 11:23-32]
     
    #11 Ray Berrian, Mar 31, 2004
  12. music4Him

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    Basically, it's that all prophecy, including Christ's second coming, were fullfilled at or before AD 70. </font>[/QUOTE]Thanks Rider,
    I wasn't for sure until you exsplained it. No I'm not either.

    BTW, in 2Tim. 2:17-18
    2:17
    And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
    2:18
    Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

    Would that be the same resurection the preterist has already happened? Or am I reading this scripture wrong?

    **Note**
    1Tim.1:20 tells what happened to Hymenaeus for erring. :eek:

    Thanks,
    Music4Him
     
    #13 music4Him, Mar 31, 2004
  14. RIDER

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    Basically, it's that all prophecy, including Christ's second coming, were fullfilled at or before AD 70. </font>[/QUOTE]Thanks Rider,
    I wasn't for sure until you exsplained it. No I'm not either.

    BTW, in 2Tim. 2:17-18
    2:17
    And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
    2:18
    Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

    Would that be the same resurection the preterist has already happened? Or am I reading this scripture wrong?

    **Note**
    1Tim.1:20 tells what happened to Hymenaeus for erring. :eek:

    Thanks,
    Music4Him     </font>[/QUOTE]I completely belive that what Hymenaeus taught was heresy. However, this came before Ad 70-and the destruction of Jerusalem. Jesus said that the end was near when the armies surrounded Jerusalem, which had not occure yet. (nor did many other prophecies, I believe)
     
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  15. RIDER

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    Where doess the Bible say that the earth would end when Christ came again? It was the end of Biblical Judaism, not the end of the world.
     
    #15 RIDER, Mar 31, 2004
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    Rider,
    It doesn't say that I have read so far. But then Rev.21:1 says Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. I think some assume from this scripture.
     
    #16 music4Him, Apr 1, 2004
  17. eschatologist

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    I am a full preterist. It is the only view, in my opinion, that makes the most sense in these eschatological issues as compared to the others, especially in dealing with time statements.
     
    #17 eschatologist, Apr 1, 2004
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    Rider or eschatiologist;

    Do preterists believe all prophecy is finished?
    Do they belive the resurrection has occured?
    Thanks,
    Cotton
     
    #18 cotton, Apr 1, 2004
  19. Ray Berrian

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    If all of the prophecies of the O.T. and N.T., especially in Revelation are complete then the judgment of the saved and lost must have happened already. How long will this earthly experience go on?

    This is the most 'off the scope' crazy view I have ever heard. Incredible! In my thinking this is a non-Christian position and viewpoint.
     
    #19 Ray Berrian, Apr 1, 2004
  20. music4Him

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    Ray I couldn't say it any better.
    How does a full preterists belive this doctrine? Do they use the KJ's bible? NIV? ASV? Where is full preterists doctrine proof for thinking this?
    How do preterists recive salvation? Just don't understand this and like I said earlier I never heard of this belief before.

    Music4Him
     
    #20 music4Him, Apr 1, 2004
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