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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by npetreley, Mar 28, 2006.

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  1. npetreley

    npetreley New Member

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    I'm not KJVO, but I am disturbed by many modern alternatives. So call me an Almost KJVO. ;) I tend to use the NKJV, but I prefer a KJV with corrections to the errors.

    I've read on KJVO sites that KJV is word-for-word, and translations like NIV are meaning-for-meaning. I can see the danger in the latter, but I can also see the benefit in some cases.

    Does anyone know of a good translation that is word-for-word when it is appropriate, and meaning-for-meaning when the meaning would get lost if you simply translated it word-for-word?

    For what it's worth, I get around the problem now by studying the Greek/Hebrew, but a better translation would make my life easier.
     
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  2. DesiderioDomini

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    The major word for word translations are the KJV, NKJV and the NASB.

    I cannot imagine the need for any others if you use those 3.
     
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  3. Scott J

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    E-Sword has some majority text versions that have been helpful on occasion- WEB, EMTV.
     
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  4. Phillip

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    What you are referring to is "KJV Preferred" then there are several variations of that you could also be "TR Preferred" or "Byzantine Preferred", but those two are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Or just anti-Alexandrian. Look at the different levels of KJVOnlyism as posted at the top of this subject.
     
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    Try the ESV.You can get it on e-sword for free.Also on e-sword you can make your own parallel Bible. Given that I would use the KJV,NKJV,and ESV. The NIV and NASB are owned by the Lockman Foundation and there is a charge for them, but they are the next best two choices to add .
     
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    The ESV is at least as literal as the KJV, I've been told.

    (The Lockman Foundation does own the copyright to the NASB; the International Bible Society owns the copyright to the NIV.)
     
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    You are probably right.When I look for the stuff to unlock on e-sword it is generally the Lockman Foundations stuff.
     
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    Niv is owned by International Bible Society and Zondervan.If I recall correctly there is a 20 dollar charge to unlock it on e-sword.
     
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  10. Phillip

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    The NIV has ALWAYS been the most expensive copyright fee. Of course, they claim they are making back the money they paid all of the translators, but I would think the number one selling modern version would have paid for itself by now.
     
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    Amen!
     
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    My understanding is that the NIV owners (IBS) use the profits of selling the NIV and it's licensed excerpts to pay for translations in languages that don't make any money but are needed (in Africa, Asia, etc.) I have trusted that to be the truth. I enjoy the NIV as much as I enjoy the NKJV - they are my top two picks in translations. I have used the HCSB (read it through last year) and like it a lot, but prefer the NIV over the HCSB for a "middle of the scale" translation - with the exception that the HCSB has much better notes. Bruce
     
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    Try the CLV. It always translates literally, unless it is a clear idiom. It's the most accurate version I've ever seen, but sometimes it's a bit more difficult to read. Here's a link to the CLV as an eSword module: CLV for eSword
     
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    I think the HCSB is excellent
     
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    I am probably "Almost KJVO" (or rather KJV-preferred). The KJV to me is "the Bible" (probably because I was raised on it). I don't treat all other translations as "evil", but I just can't take most of the others seriously as "the Bible" also.

    I am TR-only and I do give credence to any translation in any language (including other English) that is translated from the TR and the Masoretic.
     
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    The real sad part of this NIV thingy is that they are ownwed by the bilionaire tycoon,Rurert Murdoc.
    He owns porn rags,and so every time the unsuspecting christian buys an NIV,they are giving Rupert a dollar.

    They are helping to build his evil empire.
     
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    Tell me, what role did he play in the translation of the NIV?

    Also, please answer this: If the same thing were to happen to the KJV, ie a man whose life clearly did not mirror the bible was printing KJVs and making money off of it, how would that affect your view of the KJV?

    Answer (since I know it is highly unlikely you will answer): It wouldnt change a thing. You would claim that he has nothing to do with the KJV, and his actions dont change the text one bit.

    Neither does this man's actions and beliefs have anything to do with the NIV.

    Do you honestly think that this hasnt happened to the KJV?

    During the 1700's-1800's, how many KJV publishers and printers do you think owned slaves? Would you like to see the evidence? Would it matter to you if they did?

    Which is worse, pornography or slavery?

    Tell me this: Are these people allowed to change one letter of the text of the NIV? Yes or no.
    Once again, I am sure that you wont answer directly, but I thought I'd try anyways.
     
    #17 DesiderioDomini, Mar 29, 2006
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    Wow, I didn't know that. If this is true, I'm glad I've decided never to buy another NIV. I decided for other reasons, but this would have been a good enough reason even if I liked the translation.
     
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    Perhaps a publisher of porn could publish a copy of the KJV, but then I just wouldn't buy that particular publisher's copy. There are other sources. I'd go to one that isn't associated with porn in any way.

    Second, it would not affect my opinion of the KJV translation any more than it affects my opinion of the NIV translation. If I thought the NIV was a great translation, I'd say so. I just wouldn't buy an NIV Bible at all, because in the case of the NIV we have no choice. The money goes to the owner of the NIV copyright whether we like it or not.

    If I found out that the mother publishing company that put out a different Bible translation also published porn, I would not buy that translation. That's just my opinion. You can do whatever you want. But I don't want my dollars contributing to the publication of porn.

    There are plenty of translations out there, good and bad, and everything inbetween. It's nice to have a choice so we don't have to funnel our money into a porn machine.

    All of the above is based on the assumption that the mother company of the publishers of the NIV also make porn. I don't know that to be true, personally. But being in the publishing industry, myself, it wouldn't surprise me.

    In my opinion? Pornography, by a long shot. Abuse of slaves is bad or worse, but pornography is worse than slavery itself.
     
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  20. rsr

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    Zondervan (owned by Murdoch's New Corp.) has commercial rights to the NIV. The International Bible Society, however, also publishes the NIV itself and you can thus avoid handing your money over to Murdoch.
     
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