Anyone agree?

It also means "all sorts of" as in 1 Tim 6:10. For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
It is "all sorts of men" that are saved.... jew and gentile.


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Including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole: - all (manner of, means) alway (-s), any (one), X daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no (-thing), X throughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.

1Ti 4:10 For1063 therefore1519, 5124 we both2532 labor2872 and2532 suffer reproach,3679 because3754 we trust1679 in1909 the living2198 God,2316 who3739 is2076 the Savior4990 of all3956 men,444 especially3122 of those that believe.4103

1Ti 6:10 For1063 the3588 love of money5365 is2076 the root4491 of all3956 evil:2556 which3739 while some5100 coveted after,3713 they have erred635 from575 the3588 faith,4102 and2532 pierced themselves through4044, 1438 with many4183 sorrows.3601

Is the love of money the root of all evil? No. It is the root of all sorts of evil.

 

I bow out. I see that no one wants to entertain the possibility of this thought.

 

God's word does not say that Salvation is for God's elect alone. One of God's elect wrote,
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
If the elect are the only ones saved then the whole world is elected.

I disagree many are elect or chosen and reject Him. The Jews for instance .
Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

It isn't we who grace God. It is we who are given Grace from God.
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

We search and we study God's word for the purpose of making sure we do not misunderstand it. We study the Bible inorder to know Him. If we don't learn of Him then we do not know Him, we only think we do. Salvation is also a relationship between us and the Father through Christ. This is what regeneration is all about. Just believing there is a Christ, isn't the same as knowing Him well enough to believe in Him.
MB

 

So you are a universalist?

 

Please, "spare us" the lame protestations by observing the CONTEXT. You know better. Was Paul talking about angels? Was he talking about Christ? Of course not. He was talking about MAN.

skypair

 

Christ's substitutionary death paid the price for ALL men, and that is in its broadest context. but, not ALL men (or women) will accept that gift.

God already knows (foreknowledge) who will or will not accept this gift. We don't. It is up to us to share the Good News with ALL (all living people) in order to spread it to those who will accept it. many will not accept it, however.

The blood of Christ atones for all sin, but each must accept it for himself. There is no one for whom there is not possible atonement available, else Christ did not die for all men. The fact that He did die for all men does not automatically save anyone, else we would be pupets on a string and not free-willed beings.

The context, as Dr.Bob pointed out, is extremely important. Ignoring it opens up the possibility of all kinds of error, both in logic and practice. Looking for how a word or thought is being used and applied allows us to grasp what is being taught/said/illustrated, and not what we want to inject into it. That is the very first lesson any student of the bible should learn.

 

Yes, he is.

 

[From above] Jesus died for the sins of the world. Understanding the difference is key to understanding the truth about the Calvinism/Armenianism arguments. He did not die for people, he died (in people's places) for sin. Whether someone accepts Christ or not, thier sin was pardoned. O the cross Jesus paid for murder, fornication, lying, blasphemy, etc, etc. Don't think of it as for Tim's and Bob's, & Rubato's, & Billy's, & cetera, as if a list of every man's sins was compiled before time began. Therefore, since sin is under the blood, the free pass is there if we'll take it. If we don't take it it still is there for the next person (Even the supreme court decided that a Pardon refused is no pardon at all.) If you refuse Christ, he has already refused you (John 317-19).

Election and foreknowledge are sometimes confused. God knows the end from the beginning. This is foreknowledge. Just like I knew that LSU would beat OH. God does not necissarily decide all of the details, other wise, he would not have had to change his mind in Nineveh, Hezekiah, or the Deluge and we would have no free choice. He does not necessarily decide the details, he lets some of this to us. If he already knew the details, then we shouldn't argue about it because we can't change our minds any way!

Election is different (Sometimes I wonder if Christians know what a dictionary is). If Obama (God forbid) is elected HE STILL MUST CHOOSE TO ACCEPT THAT ELECTION. This has always been true, in every society, including Israel--remember Saul? Look it up. It's true. If any calvinists still don't believe me, then read that God is not willing (dictionary again, folks) that any should perish. This word "perish" means Lake of Fire and stuff.

 

This is a very good post that i agree with almost 100%...

This is my answer to this post :

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=1163263#post1163263