Anyone heard of Ferrar-Fenton Translation (1853)?

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  1. LadyEagle

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    http://ferrarfenton.com/

    This is not a "new or modern" version - date 1853.


    At the bottom of the above web page is a list of all the Books of the Bible for download and study to compare with other versions, should one choose to do so. Not trying to start an ugly debate, just thought this might be of interest aside from the usual discussions about versions.

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    My Christian Yearbook for 1991-1992 says that
    Fenton finished the NT in 1895 and
    the whole Bible was complete in 1903.

    Apparently 1853 is when he started thinking
    about working on his translation?
     
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    Thank you, Brother Ed. Did you ever hear of this Bible?
     
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    A GENERAL INTRODUCTION TO THE BIBLE by Norman Geisler and William Nix has a few comments
    about Ferrar Fenton's translation. This book also noted that the New Testament was done in 1895 and the Old Testament in 1903. They described it as "perhaps the most pretentious translation of the twentieth century" (p. 586). They noted that in the preface to the 1910 edition, Ferrar Fenton
    claimed: "I contend that I am the only man who has ever applied real mental and literary criticism to the Sacred Scriptures."

    Some unique features of this translation was
    the use of "The Life" or "The ever-Living" where
    the KJV would have "Lord," the retransliteration of some names (Elisha to Alisha), the order of books in the O. T. followed the Hebrew Bible, and the Gospel of John was placed as the first book of the New Testament.

    Geisler and Nix wrote: "The work as a whole was forceful and unique, but not too significant" (p. 586).
     
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    From History of the English Bible copyright 2003-2004 by F. Keith Mincey
     
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    There is apparently some sort of link between Ferrar Fenton, Destiny Publishers and British Israelism.
     
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    End of discussion. :rolleyes:
     
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    I hope not.
     
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    The British – Israel – World Federation and other such cults use the Fenton Farrar translation because it is easier for them to defend their theology using that translation.

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    For example:
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    So, where are the "isles" addressed to Israel in the book of Isaiah, if not the British Isles?

    Is there another explanation for the root words of ancient British or Welsh being traced to Hebrew? What would that be? [​IMG]
     
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    LadyEagle said "So, where are the "isles" addressed to Israel in the book of Isaiah, if not the British Isles?"

    There's more isles than I can count, right in the Mediterranean sea.

    LadyEagle said "Is there another explanation for the root words of ancient British or Welsh being traced to Hebrew? What would that be?"

    Most languages contain etymological connections to other languages, especially languages from Europe and the Mediterranean region. Ancient British can also be traced to ancient Scandinavian, ancient Germanic, Latin, Greek, Egyptian, etc. They're all connected.
     
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    Thanks for clearing that up.
     
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    This is some of the most pitifully ridiculous nonsense that I have ever read, and I HAVE READ some very ridiculous nonsense :eek: . Can you think of even one early or middle English word that was derived from a Hebrew word? Good Luck! :D

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    -- King James
    Isaiah 49:12 Behold, these shall come from far: and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim.

    -- New King James
    Isaiah 49:12 Surely these shall come from afar; look! Those from the north and the west, and these from the land of Sinim.''

    -- American Standard
    Isaiah 49:12 Lo, these shall come from far; and, lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim.

    -- Revised Standard
    Isaiah 49:12 Lo, these shall come from afar, and lo, these from the north and from the west, and these from the land of Syene."

    -- Transliterated, Pronounceable
    Isaiah 49:12 Hineeh, 'eeleh meeraachowq yaabo'uw -- whineeh, 'eelehmitsaapown, uwmiyaam. W'eeleh mee'erets Ciyniym.{*}

    -- Transliterated, Unaccented
    Isaiah 49:12 Hineh, 'eleh merachowq yabo'uw -- whineh, 'elehmitsapown, uwmiyam. W'eleh me'erets Ciyniym.{*}

    -- New American Standard
    Isaiah 49:12 "Behold, these will come from afar; And lo, these {will come} from the north and from the west, And these from the land of Sinim."

    -- New Jerusalem with Apocrypha
    Isaiah 49:12 Look! Here they come from far away,
    look, these from the north and the west,
    those from the land of Sinim.

    -- New American with Apocrypha
    Isaiah 49:12 See, some shall come from afar,
    others from the north and the west,
    and some from the land of Syene.

    -- New Revised Standard with Apocrypha
    Isaiah 49:12 Lo, these shall come from far away,
    and lo, these from the north and from the west,
    and these from the land of Syene. {Q Ms: MT [Sinim]}

    -- Young's Bible
    Isaiah 49:12 Lo, these from afar come in, And lo, these from the north, and from the sea, And these from the land of Sinim.

    -- Darby's Bible
    Isaiah 49:12 Behold, these shall come from afar; and behold, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim.

    -- Webster's Bible
    Isaiah 49:12 Behold, these shall come from far: and lo, these from the north and from the west; and these from the land of Sinim.

    Ferrar Fenton renders the verse "Look! these came from afar! these from the north-west!"

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    This is some of the most pitifully ridiculous nonsense that I have ever read, and I HAVE READ some very ridiculous nonsense :eek: . Can you think of even one early or middle English word that was derived from a Hebrew word? Good Luck! :D

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  17. Ziggy

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    This concept is not limited to Eliezer Williams in 1784. The otherwise respectable 19th century commentator Robert Govett in 1869 wrote a book of 135pp claiming that "the English language is etymologically descended from Hebrew" (per description in the Good Books catalog).

    I suspect the underlying motive for such claims was a certain type of Anglo-centrism, such as is often seen on this board in relation to a certain translation.
     
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    LadyEagle,

    If you have truly studied this matter, you know that only a small fraction of 1% of language scholars agree with you, most certainly NONE of the most prominent do. So far you have not posted any vocabulary at all to support your ridiculous notion. And do you know a single English Language dictionary published by a major publisher that agrees with what you believe.

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  19. LadyEagle

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    Craig, I have not "truly" studied this matter. Therefore, I cannot in good faith accept your premise that only 1% of language scholars agree with me. And even if that premise is true, the conclusions of the 1% may be biased due to anti-Semitism, which has been prevalent throughout the centuries, even by those in the "church."
     
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    I agree that you should NOT take my word for it. Neither should you take their word for it or favor one opinion above another until you have "truly" studied the matter, but I certainly appreciate your candid honesty. [​IMG]

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