Anyone willing to help found a NEW Christian nation?

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  1. JeffM

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    From Worldnetdaily:

    Christians look to form
    'new nation' within U.S.
    Same-sex marriage called last straw prompting plan for 1 state to secede
    Posted: May 24, 2004
    1:00 a.m. Eastern

    By Joe Kovacs
    © 2004 WorldNetDaily.com


    One less star?

    Calling the approval of same-sex marriage in Massachusetts "the straw that broke the camel's back," a group of Christian activists is in the beginning stages of an effort to have one state secede from the United States to become its own sovereign nation.

    "Our Christian republic has declined into a pagan democracy," says Cory Burnell, president of ChristianExodus.org, a non-profit corporation based in Tyler, Texas. "There are some issues people just can't take anymore, and [same-sex marriage] might finally wake up the complacent Christians."

    Burnell is leading the charge for a peaceful secession of one state from the union, and after originally considering Alabama, Mississippi and South Carolina due to their relatively small populations, coastal access, and the Christian nature of the electorate, Burnell says South Carolina has been selected as the target location.

    The plan initially calls for at least 12,000 Christians willing to be active in political campaigns to move to the Palmetto State.

    "We're not an invading force, we're reinforcements," Burnell tells WorldNetDaily, saying it would be a waste to move to liberal-minded states such as Massachusetts, New York or California where conservative votes would be diluted.

    According to the ChristianExodus website, which is slated for a major relaunch next month, "Christians have actively tried to return our entire land to its moral foundation for more than 20 years. We can categorically say that absolutely nothing has been achieved. If you disagree, consider this:

    * Abortion continues against the wishes of many states

    * Children may not pray in our schools

    * The Bible is not welcome in schools except under strict federal guidelines

    * The 10 Commandments remain banned from public display

    * Sodomy is now legal and celebrated as 'diversity' rather than perversion

    * Preaching Christianity will soon be outlawed as 'hate speech'

    * Gay marriage will be foisted upon us in the very near future

    "All these atrocities continue in spite of the fact that we now have the 'right' people in places of power. Indeed, the occupant of the White House is a professing Christian. The U.S. attorney general is believed to be a devout Christian. 'Conservatives' control both Houses of Congress, and Republican presidents appointed seven of the nine Supreme Court justices."

    The idea of moving thousands of people to affect the voting in one state is not new. As WorldNetDaily has previously reported, the Free State Project has goals of restoring certain personal liberties and limited government – but without seceding from the union. Last year, a group of 4,500 libertarians decided New Hampshire would be the best state.

    Burnell, a math teacher and cell-phone dealer, stresses he's not looking for bloody battles that took place in the American Revolution and the Civil War, but is rather seeking a "political divorce."

    "It's got to be different today," he says. "It has to be peaceful, brokered."

    But he admits if the federal government decides to use military force to stop the effort, "Then it can't happen."

    Already a dozen people are actively working on the project, and some 1,500 by e-mails of support have been received.

    If all goes according to plan, Burnell is hoping to have a constitutional convention by 2014, with a president of the new nation – still to be known as South Carolina – elected in 2016, which is also a presidential election year in the U.S.

    He says the nation would be founded on Christian principles, and the people writing its constitution would have to hash out details to safeguard it as a Christian republic.

    For now, Burnell prefers to shy away from specifics on the precise laws governing the country.

    "Independence first, details later," he says.

    ***end of article***


    Now this is an interesting idea. South Carolina? I've been there many times. I could live there if this actually happened.

    But realistically, this would take the providence of God to make happen, just like we had when we separated from the worlds greatest world power in 1776.

    But lets look at what's really going on here. America is so severely divided as a country, something or someone is going to snap, and soon.

    I agree that the radical homosexual agenda is going to be the death of us. They keep pushing and they keep making headway. As said in the article, a lot of Christians have lost faith in President Bush and Ashcroft. Aside from a few laws passed such as the partial birth abortion ban, they haven't done much to preserve what little is left of our Christian heritage. I won't be afraid to say that we have an absentee President.

    Anyone here willing to move to S. Carolina and partake in the creation of an independent Christian nation?

    One thing is for sure, if it ever succeeded, it wouldn't be hard for the islamofacist to find us when the Islamic Anti-Christ takes over. Just paint a big bullseye on the map.
     
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    There you go folks.

    All those in other threads who do not believe in submission to the government now have a chance to act. Just move to South Carolina!
     
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    Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it.
    America is not a Christian nation, and never was.
    There is no such thing as a Christian nation, and never will be until Jesus comes and sets up His Kingdom here on earth.
    Christians are, and always have been in the minority. I am speaking of true Christians here, those who are actually born again, not just wearing the name tag of Christian.
    Jesus said of his disciples (and consequently of all true believers), "the world will hate you."
    We will be hated by the world. We always will be the minority; never the majority. We will never, in this lifetime be able to form a "Christian nation." Impossible.
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    I also have to wonder, what "brand" of Christianity would be established? As poorly as we get along on the board, there would be civil war in South Carolina in a matter of weeks.
     
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    "I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one." John 17:15
    The Lord Jesus prayed that His disciples not be taken away for a reason. That reason, as seen elsewhere in the gospels, was so that they could be the salt of the earth and a light in the darkness. This withdrawing and concentrating Christians into one area, it would seem, IMHO, to be against His will.
    It is easy to blame Mr. Bush or Mr. Ashcroft, but let me be very frank and state where I see the real problem lies:
    In the Churches.
    Churches that are filled with people who are actually FOR abortion, are FOR homosexuality and same-sex marriage, that ordain those that are openly homosexual.
    Churches where the pulpits are occupied by, to borrow an Old Testament term, "Dumb dogs that can't bark."
    Churches that are institutes of political correctness, instead of teaching God's word. Churches, where, if there are any dissenters, they get hit over the head with Matthew 7:1: "Now, Now, Judge not, that you be not judged."
    There are Churches that are the exception, and I do believe a lot of them has "Baptist" in their name; But, for the most part, and whatever your veiw of echatology is, this is Laodicea: lukewarm Laodicea.
     
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    We could always got back to the Celtic Church in Ireland and just live in monastic settlements. That would solve the problem.

    I guess all of the non-Christians would either "conform or quit?" Can we say Geneva?

    I agree totally Watchman, the problem is a lukewarm church which makes our Saviour sick.
     
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    Watchman is right---Roger and DHK are right, too!

    The church is not suffering from Atrophy--the swrinking of the muscles----rather the church is suffering from what I call "Ignorant Apathy." Ask the average church member what the preacher "preached" yesterday and their response will be "I don't know and I don't care!"

    The salt has lost its savor---therefore it is good for nothing but to be cast into the highway to be trampled on of men-----in the Bible day---the worthless salt would be used to build a road for the Romans---they'd "broadcast" the worthless salt onto the road where people walked----no wonder the world is "walking all over" the church!

    As far as succeding from the nation---whats to prevent the "Tare" from following the real "Wheat" into the new Wheat field?? Remember those men who wanted to gather up the "tares?" They wanted to seperate the Tare from the Wheat---and the Master said what?? Leave it alone until Harvest Day.

    JeffM---good idea but If the folks do succeed in forming the "new" state----guess what the enemy is going to do?? He's gonna come in and sow his "Tares" among the Wheat!----and guess what?? Looking out into the Wheat field----the average person cannot tell the Wheat from the Tare! Thus the cycle continues and will continue until the Land Owner comes back and seperates-----but until then . . . . .

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    As much as I like the idea, and would probably move there if something like this did happen, I know it would not survive long with Satan still loose.

    Man cannot, not matter how hard we try, create any form of utopia, whether it be socialist, or Christian. If we could, there would be no need for Christ.

    For one thing as Christ4Kildare pointed out, which brand of Christianity would be imposed? In my daily life alone, I come across several types of "Christians" who are anything but.....

    I still would like to see how far this idea gets. Maybe it can be pulled off. Like I said, I'd give it a shot. Might be a nice place to hang-out until our Lord and Savior comes to get us.
     
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    I have friends in SC, will have to forward this to them [​IMG]

    If I was over that way I probably wouldn't move to SC, but it would be nice having something like that as a break from the things I see in taxi.

    Then again, sometimes the things seen in Churches even make the cab look tame...
     
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    I would love to move to any location-- state, city, island-- that says they are going to base their society and its laws on God's law. But not to a place which has secession as their stated goal.
    Wasn't Daniel always highly respectful of his king, even after the king established an idolatrous law? As I recall, he didn't secede or rebel, he only said he simply couldn't follow this one law.
     
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    I thought that the Republicans were supposed to fix this stuff??
     
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    Some of you folks can make fun of this if you want to do so, but whether it works or not it is about time for Christians to make a stand and say enough is enough. I love this country, but not what this country has become. It is because preachers have hid in their comfort zones. As to what kind of denomination would it have. It would be just like this country was set up originally. Where men may not agree on every bit of doctrine, but we would agree that we give honor to our Creator and that our rights all come from out Creator. The 10 Commandments would be honored again and what God calls and abomination would not accepted by society.
     
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    Agree with DHK, Watchman, Roger and David. There is and never has been such a thing as a 'Christian nation', no should there be; indeed, one of the Baptist distinctives is a rejection of this Constantinian concept of 'Christendom'. On the contrary,Christ's followers (I suspect always a minority in any society, state or nation) are to be salt and light to a pagan surrounding society, rather than hive themselves off from the world, whether that be to a Catholic or Celtic monastery, or a fundamentalist US state.

    Yours in Christ

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    It looks like that many have accepted the revisonist history of this country. Just as many countries are Muslim countries, this country was based on Christian principles and was accept by even the deist who were among our founders. Why do you think God richly blessed this nation. It wasn't because we honored other gods or did not honor God at all. This nation wasn't founded to be baptist, methodist, presbyterian, etc. Each person could worship the TRUE God in the way they chose. Sad very sad that we have come this far and learned so little.
     
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    But the concept of Christendom - effectively a theocracy or at the very least the marriage of church and state - is anti-Baptistic in its very nature. Also, history shows it just doesn't work - look at Massachusetts,originally a Puritan theocracy but now the 'Gay Marriage State'

    Yours in Christ

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    Anyone willing to help found a NEW Christian nation?

    Count me out. A theocratic government of any kind is something I'm flatly against. Also, since my Baptist affiliation requires me to adhere to the Baptist Disctinctive of Separation of Church and State, I'm morally obligated to refrain from supporting theocratic governments.
     
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    Amen. There are two choices, and only two:

    You can be governed by God's laws

    or

    You can be governed by man's laws.


    History is soaked in the blood of those who chose the latter.
     
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    It does not make it a theocratic government just because it honors God. I makes it a fair government and a just government. What we have now is not either.
     
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    I was recently stationed at Charleston AFB in SC and we are thinking of going back to retire there. Believe it or not SC, especially the Charleston area along with Myrtle Beach are huge tourist areas and that industry would never allow such a thing to happen.

    I am in the military for 3 more years at least and I too am having a very difficult time being so patriotic all the time when this country is getting worse and worse by the day as is the world. I love my country in many ways, but also beginning to despise it as well. In the military, religion is a joke as chaplains and other leaders just try to please all including the Mormons, Muslims, etc. They just lump us all together even in services and people are actually ok with this. They shove so much PC stuff down our throat and it will not be long before Christians won't be able to even say the name of Jesus Christ. I have babbled on enough. I am very concerned with the future of our country as well as the future of our armed forces.

    Aloha!
     

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