I have ended up arguing the "liberal" side of many debates - not necessarily my choice! But I am disturbed by what I see as a tendency (by many YECers) to cite arguments, no matter the academic validity, as long as they support the young earth view. The classic example is the the second law of thermodynamics. For one to cite this as a proof against evolution refelcts either a lack of understanding of the subject, or (worse) deliberate intellectual dishonesty. While I am OEC in viewpoint I am, at heart, sympathetic to the YEC stance. What troubles me is that it seems we are allowing the end to justify the means here.