Are Allah and God the Same?

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  1. Revolt

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    Ive heard it said that many Christians who have converted from Islam still refer to God as Allah Especially in Palistine.

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    humm, seems someone was pretty mixed up when they voted.
    Allah and God are not the same, the god of Islam does not have the same attributes as the God of the bible, therefore he can not be the God of the bible.
    Yes they are sinning by calling God by the name of a false god. They are not wanting to leave the falss god behind them, not willing to give him up for the one true God.
    God's name is holy, yes He cares what you call Him. Allah is not a name God has called Himself, His people are not to use it in addressing Him.
     
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    well at least we can agree on something
     
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    God's name is Jehovah NOT Allah (Jeremiah 16:21). He ain't going to respond to folks who call him by the names of false gods.
     
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    East is east, and west is west, and never the twain shall meet.... :D
     
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    Another poll I can't answer.

    Question 1 - my response would be that that allah is a perverted image of the God of Abraham. Muslims belive allah to be the same one Christians worship, but if there are different teachings then they can not be the same.

    My answer to #2 is yes they are.

    And number 3 is yes.

    Bill
     
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    Allah is what Muslims call the Almighty God. They believe in only one true almighty God. So yes, Allah and God are the same.

    Now as far as their understanding of God, it is dramatically different from the God of the OT. But let's also not forget that the God of the NT is different than the God of the OT (we go from righteous judge to a father figure).

    So Allah is God, but He is simply misunderstood by them.

    BTW - God' name is NOT Jehovah. This is a combination of two words (Yahweh and Elohim) that were not meant to be combined. God doesn't have a name. We call Him God, because it's what we're used to. The Muslims call Him "Allah", but that's what they refer to Him as. It's not his name, anymore than "God" is.

    PS - "Yahweh" is most likely derived from hwâ, hyâ, which means "to bring into existence", and Elohim means "mighty"

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    Just becasue they call him 'almighty God' doesn't make it so. No they are not the same. The god they believe in does not match what the bible says about God. Once God's attributes, wh He is is changed, then it is no longer the same God. The difference between God in the O.T. and God in the N.T. is the difference in God revealing Himself to man.
     
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    Another and distinct differance is that Christians worship God as a Trinity which cannot be overstated when looking at the differances in the Muslims false view of God.
     
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    Kiffin, that would be one of my main points, our God is Trinity, allah is not. Can not be the same God.
     
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    Kiffin:

    Given what you said about the Trinity, do you think the YHWH that Jews worship is the same as the Christian God?
     
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    Yes, but if that is simply the word for "God" in their language, why wouldn't they?

    I mean, when I was saved I didn't stop calling God God just because I didn't used to understand God in the same way I do since I was saved...

    Am I supposed to use some different word just because that word is also used by people with different beliefs than me?

    Isn't the point, what people mean when they call God "Allah"? If the God they call "Allah" is the God of the Bible then how could we have a problem with that?

    If we do have a problem with names then we had better invent our own name for God that only Bible-believing Christians use, lest anyone misunderstand and think that when we say "God" we mean what they mean by "God".

    Anyway, there aren't two transcendent omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent Creators of the Universe so, in a sense any theist means what we mean. In a sense
     
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    Hi rsr,

    I do believed the Old Testament Jews worshipped God as a Trinity though I don't believe they completely understood it or had it formulated as we do. I however do not think modern Judaism worships the same God as Christians though they have a slightly better understanding than Muslims but since they depend so much on extra Biblical writings (Talmud, Misdrash) they have a wrong concept of God and Messiah.
     
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    :eek:

    I think not!
     
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    AITB,

    Do you think the OT Jews were Unitarians? I think not! Genesis 1:26, 11:1, Psalms 2, 22, 110:1-2, Daniel 7:9-14, Zec. 3:1 all demonstrate an understanding of God being a plurality in His Godhead. They certaintly did not understand it as well as we do but certaintly they had some understanding. To what extent it is hard to say.

    As the Belgic Confession stated, " In Genesis, chap. 1:26, 27, God says: Let us make man in our image, after our likeness, etc. And God created man in his own image, male and female created he them. And Gen. 3:22, Behold, the man is become as one of us. From this saying, Let us make man in our image, it appears that there are more persons than one in the Godhead; and when He says, God created, He signifies the unity. It is true, He does not say how many persons there are, but that which appears to us somewhat obscure in the Old Testament is very plain in the New."

    We should be careful not to make the OT saints into Unitarians or Modalists in that we have them with a wrong view of God.
     
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    Originally posted by Kiffin:

    AITB,

    Do you think the OT Jews were Unitarians? I think not! Genesis 1:26, 11:1, Psalms 2, 22, 110:1-2, Daniel 7:9-14, Zec. 3:1 all demonstrate an understanding of God being a plurality in His Godhead. They certaintly did not understand it as well as we do but certaintly they had some understanding. To what extent it is hard to say.


    Why's it hard? We have some of their commentaries on those passages and we can read them!

    My understanding is that they saw the plurality as denoting God's majesty. It is like the "Royal we", as it were.

    I wonder why they so often recite "The LORD our God: the Lord is ONE" if they believed in the plurality of God.

    I think the most honest thing I can say, based on what I know, is, if God's trinitarian nature was meant to be understood from those passages, we have no evidence that Jews pre-Christ understood them that way. It must have been that God meant them to be proof, after God's Trinitarian nature was revealed, to believers.

    I don't see how we can think the Jews could have even guessed at it. I would need to see evidence, to believe that.

    After all, it took the church 400 years to come up with a clear statement of their own beliefs about God's Trinitarian nature!

    I'm sure that some people teach this: after Jesus was revealed as God, Jews backed away and took a firmer stand against any sort of plurality in God's nature, than they did before then. However, I haven't seen evidence of this and so to me it's entirely speculation that until they had a reason to oppose God's Trinitarian nature, they were vaguely open to it. The LORD our God is ONE seems pretty clear to me. Why would anyone think otherwise, or guess at God being Trinitarian, with that so emphasized? Can you give me a reason why? Based on any evidence?

    We should be careful not to make the OT saints into Unitarians or Modalists in that we have them with a wrong view of God.

    I have no idea what you mean by "Unitarians" in this context. I'd have to think about what it means to be a Modalist to consider whether that's a possibility or not.

    [ June 21, 2002, 10:39 AM: Message edited by: AITB ]
     
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    Hi AITB,

    I don't believe that the "we" and "us" is referring to majesty as many Hebrew scholars say.

    Adam Clark stated,
    The original word µyhla Elohim, God, is certainly the plural form of la El, or hla Eloah, and has long been supposed, by the most eminently learned and pious men, to imply a plurality of Persons in the Divine nature. As this plurality appears in so many parts of the sacred writings to be confined to three Persons, hence the doctrine of the TRINITY, which has formed a part of the creed of all those who have been deemed sound in the faith, from the earliest ages of Christianity. Nor are the Christians singular in receiving this doctrine, and in deriving it from the first words of Divine revelation. An eminent Jewish rabbin, Simeon ben Joachi, in his comment on the sixth section of Leviticus, has these remarkable words: "Come and see the mystery of the word Elohim; there are three degrees, and each degree by itself alone, and yet notwithstanding they are all one, and joined together in one, and are not divided from each other." See Ainsworth. He must be strangely prejudiced indeed who cannot see that the doctrine of a Trinity, and of a Trinity in unity, is expressed in the above words. The verb arb bara, he created, being joined in the singular number with this plural noun, has been considered as pointing out, and not obscurely, the unity of the Divine Persons in this work of creation. In the ever-blessed Trinity, from the infinite and indivisible unity of the persons, there can be but one will, one purpose, and one infinite and uncontrollable energy.

    I will agree that I do not believe they had a clear concept of Father, Son and Holy Spirit as we do today but a plurality in the Godhead I believe is clearly expressed in the Hebrews scriptures. In the same manner they looked for and had faith in the promised Messiah but they did not have a clear understanding of Christ being crucified since such a form of execution did not exist in the time of the prophets but they certaintly could know from Ps.22 and Isa. 53 that Christ would come as a suffering Messiah to redeem the world from sin. The LORD our God is ONE is clearly consistent with Trinatarian theology in that we do not believe in three gods but one God.
     
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    Question 1:
    Of course God and Allah are the same. Islam, like Christianity, developed from Judaism. Hence Islam has as much claim to worshipping our God as does Judaism. Now Judaism and Islam both have an incomplete and perverted view of God. But unless you want to say that the God of the Old Testament is not our God, in which case I suppose we should excise a great deal from our Bibles, they are the same. However, worshipping God is insufficient for salvation.

    Question 2:
    My understanding is that allah is the name for god in their language. If that is the case, a Christian Arab is no more sinning by referring to God as Allah than we (English speakers) are by using a generic term for a diety from a language that had yet to evolve in Biblical times.

    Question 3:
    I don't know. I answered no, but that is an incomplete answer. I think there are ways that we could refer to God that would be wrong. But pay attention over the next month at the wide variety of names people use for God. It seems most people take wide latitude with the titles they use for God. If you disagree, what title should we only use when referring to God?
     
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    I think we need to ask some questions here on who allah is.
    Is he a Trinity?
    Is he Jesus?
    Does the koran teach that allah is Jesus?
    If allah is God, then what does that mean to us conserning the koran?

    And if allah is the name for God in the arab language, then why do they not when speaking in english say GOD?
    Is anything/one claimed to be our God ok as long as they call it God? Is everything named GOD, actually the biblical God?
     
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    No.
    No.
    No.
    Nothing. Does the revelation to Joseph Smith mean anything to you? We do not accept that just as we do not accept the revelation to Mohammed. We do not consider either to be inspired. Mormanism would be a Christian cult. It's roots are in Christianity, it worhips the same God, but it has perverted it to no longer be Christian. Islam is born of Judaism, it worships the same God, but it's teachings are wrong.
    Don't know.[SPECULATION] Maybe they use Allah as we use God but only more exclusively instead of all the other titles you will hear Christians use. So they maintain the preference of using that title even in another lanuage. [/SPECULATION]
    Of course not. But in this case you have three religions with the same ultimate origin and therefore worshipping the same god. All three just do not accept the right parts.
     

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