Are Calvinists Christian?

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  1. DCK

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  2. Harald

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    The question "Are Calvinists Christians?" is not a stupid one, but a relevant one. My answer is that a person that is a genuine Christian has no desire to label or call himself "Calvinist". If for some reason he should at some point in his profession do so foolishly he will repent of such carnality and stupidity when God the Spirit convicts him of this fleshly sin of his. For a true Christian to call himself "Calvinist" is sin, because it does not spring from the principle of faith within. A man who goes on calling himself "Calvinist" is either a false believer, which is most often the case, or a true believer in a backslidden condition, which is not his right element. In the case of the latter such carnal self-labeling cannot go on for long time because the Spirit of Christ within him will rebuke and chastise him and he will zealously repent of it.

    Adhering to the theological system known as "Calvinism" proves nothing as to a man's state and standing before God. Many or most "orthodox Calvinists" through the centuries have been wolves, false Christians. Adhering to Arminianism or semi-pelagianism does prove something as to a man's state, it strongly suggests such an one is still unconverted and in a state of darkness. The vast majority of Calvinists so-called are also thus, but it does not show from their holding to 5 point Calvinism, because those 5 points in and of themselves are biblical. But from other things which may observed in the lives and professions of Calvinists one discerns their lostness.
    For example, a "Calvinist" preacher may staunchly hold to the system of TULIP, but his preaching duty faith and duty repentance and grace offers to all indiscriminately betrays to the discerning man that he is uncalled of God and most likely unregenerate. Such was for example the "prince of preachers", Charles Haddon Spurgeon, and Andrew Fuller, the famous wolf who has been called the father of the Modern Missionary Movement.

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    Diatribes of circumlocution demonstrate the eloquence of nothing. Brevity is the answer; brevity.

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    I looked at that thread and the person that started the thread claimed he pretty much knew how many people would be in Heaven based on the size of the cube in the book of Revelation.

    I guess that would give a whole new meaning to the doctrine of election. According to that fellow's idea(and he isn't a Calvinist), God made Heaven only big enough to hold a certain amount of people. So under that scenario, it would appear that God would have to make the cut from the human race in some fashion as to not overfill the available space in Heaven.

    I think that fellow needs a vacation. [​IMG]
     
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    Harald, will you please go into more detail on this one?
    Please give more specific examples than naming one or two Calvininsts in all of Christianity. What did they do in their lives so wrong that you can point to and say "he/she did this because they were a calvinist"?
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    Harald, you remind me of the fella that stated to his friend, "I don't think anyone is saved except me and thee, and I sometimes I have my doubts about thee." [​IMG]
     
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    I looked at that thread and the person that started the thread claimed he pretty much knew how many people would be in Heaven based on the size of the cube in the book of Revelation.

    I guess that would give a whole new meaning to the doctrine of election. According to that fellow's idea(and he isn't a Calvinist), God made Heaven only big enough to hold a certain amount of people. So under that scenario, it would appear that God would have to make the cut from the human race in some fashion as to not overfill the available space in Heaven.

    I think that fellow needs a vacation. [​IMG]
    </font>[/QUOTE]Using the dimensions given in Revelation, Just the New Jerusalem is large enough to hold every human who ever lived with each having living space of approximately 1/3 cubic mile. That does not count the new earth which must be large enough to accomodate a city that extends 1500 miles from the surface to the upper limit.

    The New Jerusalem has a volumn of 3,375,000,000 cubic miles. Assuming 10 Billion people have lived and are living, that would give each 1/3 cubic mile of space to call "home". There is no need for God to have an "elect", since there is ample room for everyone.

    But alas, all too few will heed the call to believe in Jesus leaving their "mansion" open. Don't worry friends, there is room for you, all you need to do is make the trip.
     
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    Just for the record, I have known several very godly men who would probably be labeled "Calvinists" (although they rarely use the word themselves), and there is no doubt that they are Christians. In fact, I would consider them closer to God and more knowledgable about His Word than I am. The antagonism against Calvinism is, I think, largely based on ignorance of what Calvinists actually believe. On top of that, "free will" is to some the highest of all truths, and Calvinism seems to violate that truth. It takes time and thought to accurately understand a rival theological system and many are not willing to put forth the effort.
     
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    Hi DCK;
    Someone should read this to this person who wrote this
    Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

    What are the fruits of a Christian?

    Jam 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be entreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

    Jam 3:18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

    IMHO. I would think it wise not to judge, unless it had been appointed me to do so. We shall be judge by the same manner in which we judge. If we judge unfairly, wouldn't you say we would then be judge the same way.

    May God Bless You

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    Such posts are both ignorant and foolish. When one dismisses the biblical truth of the gospel message they have compromised that very message and the salvation it offers. To deny that someone is saved because they obey the Savior who said to preach the gospel to every creature is teh height of arrogance and rebellion against God. God did not appoint you to judge the salvation of others and we will not let you. You may change your posting method or not post. Those are your options. Please choose wisely.
     
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    The question of the post is, Are Calvinists Christian? The Answer is, Whosoever believeth in Jesus, even on His name, is Christian!

    Alignment to one or another theology matters little unless the theology is completely unfounded in Holy Scripture.

    Only those who confess, that is, align themselves to Jesus, the Son of God, the Christ, are Christian.
     
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    Almost well said, but don't you mean that alignment to one or another theology matters little unless the theology is completely founded in Holy Scripture????
     
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    No, I said it correctly. Unless the theology is not founded in scripture, it matters very little which one aligns with so long is one Believes in Jesus, the Son of God, the Messiah.

    No matter what name you call yourself, if your belief is in the Son of God, the Messiah, then you are saved. Alignment gets you nothing!
     
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    I just wanted to point out that this is the only logical statement in the diatribe above, and yet it completely contradicts everything else you state.
     
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    Before you can determine whether a Calvinist is a christian... shouldn't you determine by scripture what a christian is?... There are only three times the word christian is mentioned in scripture... Acts 11:26... Acts 26:28... And I Peter 4:16... Seems to me being called a christian during these times was a dangerous thing and could cost you your life!... What is the criteria for being called a christian?... To many today use the word loosely or as a label not understanding the price or the cost!... IMHO!... To each his own!... Brother Glen [​IMG]
     
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    Seems rather logical that those who confess that Jesus is the Son of God, "The Christ", and adhere to the teaching of "THE CHRIST" would be the only ones who qualify to be known as "Christians". If one who is known as a Calvinist, confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, the Christ, and adheres to the teachings of Jesus, then that Calvinist is a Christian. It really is that simple.
     
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    So actually the word christian implies talk and walk no matter the denomination or lable... You walk the walk and talk the talk you are christian as the word christian denotes action. A Christian is a soldier and a spiritual warrior in the army of the Lord and age is not a factor... Suffer the little children to come unto me... And being aged in the service is an asset enabling us to teach others what the great teacher the Lord taught us as we serve him in this life. Sermons are great for worship but the talking and walking sermon are what true christianity is to a sinful world and shows them who we truely worship... You can't serve God and mammon!... Christianity denotes fellowship with all God's children no matter denomination or lable... Let us love one another for love is of God... And he that loveth is born of God and knoweth God [​IMG] ... Do you love all of God's children alike no matter denomination or lable?... Show me your Christianity and I will show you your God!... Brother Glen [​IMG]
     
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    If you intended that as a slap in the face, you certainly showed your Christianity!

    If you can recall, you will find that 99.5% of all of my posts are aimed at the content and context of the post, and not at the poster. My style of presentation may be course by your standard, but I do not beat around the bush and I am not mealy-mouthed (sheepish) in what I say. I'm not sure that can be said of you.
     
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    You have been previously warned about posts of this type. They will not be tolerated.

    [ August 20, 2003, 07:59 AM: Message edited by: Pastor Larry ]
     
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    One who says that "Calvinist" = "non-Christian" is not walking in the leading of God's Spirit but is a dishonest and unlearned knave.

    One who says that "Arminian" = "non-Christian" is not walking in the leading of God's Spirit but is a dishonest and unlearned knave.


    Harald, what do you think of the above sentences? :confused:

    My own sentence: One who says that a person who trusts in the blood of Jesus and believes in God is most likely not saved because they believe they understand the bible to agree with the 5 points of Calvinism is very confused about what a Christian is! No wonder you said it would be hard for you to give a definition. :(
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