Are Carnal Christians Those Who Chose to Not Submit To Spirit But To Flesh?

We do not have an old sin nature. The bible never teaches we do. We have the flesh and we are promised we will not be tempted above what wee can handle. We are new creations, and ALL things have passed away, not some things.

 

A person who is carnal is lost. For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.

 

Well I believe you missed 1 Peter 2:21 For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:

22Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:

23Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:

24Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

25For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

Verse 24 He bore our sins, our sins were paid for they died with Him on that cross and made it an issue of do you have the SON. He bore the penalty for all sin, He took our sin and the issue of sin died with Him. The issue the only thing that sends one into the second death is acceptance or rejection of Christ. Baring our sins means He bore the penalty for them, he took all Sin upon himself that day He paid the price for all PAST, PRESENT and FUTURE sin. He bore Adams, Abrahams and even Esau's sin. He bore Peter, James and even Judas's sin. He bore you sin and my sin he even bore Hitler's sin that day. The issue now is do you have Christ Righteousness in you have you received Him as payment for your sin. So when He took the sin upon Him the sin issue was gone and it is now a Son issue.

 

It goes back to my original post the original Greek word must be seen in the context.

Psueche - of the soul (i. e. the unbeliever) Translated in the bible as the following:
heart, heartily, life, lives, mind, minds, person, persons, soul, souls, suspense, thing

Sarx - or Sarkikos which means in the flesh or a fleshly believer one who is walking in the flesh but has been saved. Here are the definitions
flesh (the soft substance of the living body, which covers the bones and is permeated with blood) of both man and beasts
the body
the body of a man
used of natural or physical origin, generation or relationship
born of natural generation
the sensuous nature of man, "the animal nature"
without any suggestion of depravity
the animal nature with cravings which incite to sin
the physical nature of man as subject to suffering
a living creature (because possessed of a body of flesh) whether man or beast

Please note this meaning of Sarx "the flesh, denotes mere human nature, the earthly nature of man apart from divine influence, and therefore prone to sin and opposed to God" From this word you can see the Old sin Nature and everywhere it is used it means the Old Nature.

So Romans 8:6 "For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace" Carnally minded (sarkikos). Spiritually minded (pnuematikos). That is being carnally minded is allowing sin to control and dominate your life as a believer.

The final word was Pnuematikos - in the Spirit, this is the Believer who is walking in the Spirit, the Spirit filled believer.
So yes you have to allow context and the original word from the Greek determine how you interpret scripture.

 

revmwc seriously I am beginning to wonder about you. You post a text then change the text in your statement. Sins have not died. That teaxt never says that. They are alive and well. According to the passage It is WE who are saved who are died to sin. Our sin is paid for. Now that we have died to sin we are now alive in Christ and suppose to live unto righteousness.

 

All right let's do that. let's say that Paul is saying that a person can be carnal and saved. Would you also agree that he sets the standard for what constitutes carnality in a believer?
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas [there is] among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
These alone constitute carnality if we are going to keep it in context, agreed?

 

A falsehood affirmed as truth remains a falsehood.
You can stand on a hilltop and shout it to the mountains, but it won't make it true. You must offer some evidence for your position.

 

Here is your evidence again;
For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace.
Death in this passage is a synonym for hell, lost, unsaved.

 

Again you missed one thing at the end of the verse that qualifies it all ye walk as men, meaning you walk as the world walks. Carnallity for the believer is walking as the world walks, that is walking in sin.

 

since Christ paid for sins and not ours only but the sins of the whole world then the sin issue is dead. It is now a Son issue. Since the sin issue died it like the sin has died. The whole issue is now that of a SON issue. Have you accepted or rejected the Son. Rejection means dieing the second death seperation from God for all eternity. Acceptance means being with God the Trinity throughout eternity.

1st John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Well this says we definitely have sin in our life.

2And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Christ paid for the sins of all, Ours and the sins of the whole world. Our do we need now to throughout John's teaching too?

 

I am not sure i understand the point.

 

The carnally minded (sarkikos) believer walks like a psuchikos man. The carnal believer walks in the flesh and is in sin.

 

No, death is not a synonym for hell, lost, or unsaved.
Death simply means separation.

For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. (James 2:26)
James uses the word here to describe physical death. When the body is separated from the spirit, then that is death.

And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; (Ephesians 2:1)
--Paul was not speaking of physical death but uses the word "dead" to speak of spiritual death, when the Ephesians were separated from God. The Holy Spirit gave them life. They are now alive in Christ. They were separated from God. It is a spiritual death; spiritual separation.

There is spiritual separation that pertains to believers as well.
David said in Psalms 66:18,
"If I regard iniquity in my heart the Lord will not hear me."
--Sin separates the believer from God. Salvation is not lost but fellowship is broken. That is spiritual death. It is separation from God. Sin separates us from the fellowship that we ought to be having with God.

Until one realizes how the word "death" is defined or used in the Bible they will be utterly confused in many areas of theology including soteriology.

To be carnally minded is "death." That is true for anyone.
To be carnally minded--of the flesh, the world, etc. causes separation from God. God hates worldliness. It will separate you from God whether you are a believer or not, and that is spiritual death.

What did James say to the believers he was addressing:
Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. (James 4:4)
If you are a friend of the world you (Christian) are the enemy of God.
Can a Christian be the enemy of God? Yes he can! How? By his chosen lifestyle which is carnal, worldly, after the flesh resulting in spiritual death. That doesn't mean he has lost his salvation.

 

I still am not clear on your point from the op question of your post.

 

Sorry your use of Spiritual death is incorrect. Spiritual death is in effect at birth once you have been made Spiritually alive you cannot die Spiritually again. The Holy spirit is always indwelling the believer and the believer is always Spiritually alive.
To be Carnally minded is death is Temporal death, Temporal Death means temporary seperation from fellowship with God. God will not hear your prayers, He will work in your life except to chasten until you confess sin and turn back to the control of the Holy spirit.
Those who continue to operate in the flesh for a long period of time are in Operational death. They are seperated from operating in the control of the Holy Spirit and have continued in that state for a long period of time. Both those in Temporal death and those in operational death are carnally minded but one confesses and gets back to operating under the control of the spirit and the other stays out of fellowship and is operating under the control of the SARX (flesh Old Sin Nature).

 

Show me one reputable bible teacher that teaches that the term death in the passage does not mean hell.

 

Sorry can't make it any clearer not sure why you keep fisihing for the same answer. Clear your question up what exactly you don't understand or it is you just don't agree and don't know how to reply.

 

Define who you think is reputable.