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Are God & Allah the same?

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by 2 Timothy2:1-4, May 5, 2007.

  1. Allan

    Allan Active Member

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    No, Arabs are NOT heirs under the law. The lineage goes through Isaac NOT Ishmael. And God is very specific about it Abraham. They are blessed .Maybe that is why you are so confused.

    Jesus IS in the Koran since it is loosely based on some scriptures. But Jesus is second to Allah's prophet. The Messiah was promised to Gods people (the Jews NOT Arabs) and is why the Jewish people who have NOW come to a knowledge of Christ are called Messianic Jews because the Messiah for whom they have looked for IS ALREADY HERE.

    Muslims place Muhammed above Jesus. In the Koran Jesus comes back to deal judgment to the world but He does this for Muhammed that his kingdom will remain forever.
     
  2. hillclimber1

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    Not to me. They are totally different, and only one is real.

    Muslim's probably say yes.
     
  3. Hope of Glory

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    I can't believe that I am hearing this from a professing saved person who seems to have read at least part of the Bible!

    Ishamael has no inheritance!?!

    True, the greater inheritance came through Isaac, who was the child of grace, but to say that Ishmael had no inheritance is to simply stick your fingers in your ears and go "nyah nyah nyah nyah!"
     
  4. LadyEagle

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    Amen.

    Re: "messianic muslims" - Jews and Christians have in common the same God, the same Old Testament as the Bible, but the Messiah is not a Muslim, therefore a Muslim cannot be messianic.
     
  5. Hope of Glory

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    A Muslim cannot believe on the Messiah for all mankind?
     
  6. Allan

    Allan Active Member

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    You just said earlier that a Hindu and Buddist can't be messianic, but in your definiton above they can be and so could pagans, wiccans, and satanists.

    Are you a Messianic Christian? You need to study up more on this issue. I'm not trying to be condesending, so please don't take it that way.

    Messianic has a specific meaning toward and for a specific people. Muslims can be Christians but not Messianic.
     
  7. Hope of Glory

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    Muslims have the same God at their origins that Christians and Jews have; the God of Abraham.

    If a Hindu or a Buddhist is saved, he can no longer be Hindu or Buddhist. (Well, I guess he could be an unbeliever, but not actively.)

    But, if you remove the obfuscation that the religion of Islam has placed in the way...

    It is much like the obfuscations that the religion of Catholocism, Baptists, Lutherans, etc. have put in the way of God.
     
  8. DHK

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    You have to make that decision yourself. If "your" Christ is not the Christ of the Bible: the second person of the triune Godhead; God come in the flesh; fully God and fully man at the same time; the one who paid the full penalty for out sins by shedding his bled on our behalf, that only through him and him alone is salvation granted, and that on the basis of faith in Him alone, that He is not the same Christ that I worship, is He?
    This is not a C/A debate.
    This is about the deity of Christ and who Christ is. If Christ is not God, then he isn't Christ at all. Muslims deny the deity of Christ. So do the J.W's, the Mormons, and all other world religions. This is not a difficult concept to grasp.
    All of the above religions reject the truth taght in John 14:6.
     
  9. DHK

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    No you couldn't, because there is no such thing. One is either a Christian or a Muslim. You cannot be both. All Muslims reject Christ as God. It is blasphemous even to think of the idea that Christ can be: "the son of God," "deity" in any shape or form. He is only a prophet in their eyes, and Mohammed is always considered a greater prophet than Christ.
    So is Satan and his demons. Mohammed based his entire religion on what he thought were visions from demons. He was right. It is not Jesus that is in the Bible, but a demon-inspired caricature of Jesus, as are all the other representations of God and Jesus. They know not the true God, but are blind to Biblical truth.
    "The natural mind understands not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are spiritually discerned." An unsaved person, such as a Muslim cannot understand the Bible. He does not even have the right attitude toward what is the Bible. They believe that all the verses in the Bible have been corrupted and that the true Scriptures are those that remain in the Koran. They are very suspicious of the teachings that come straight from the Bible. It contradicts the teachings of the Koran.
    An impossibillity! Christ is not the son of Allah. And to say that he is the son of God or of Allah is blasphemy to any Muslim. Muslims only understand Christ as the son of God in a physical or sexual way and thus conclude that God had a wife. This is not the Christ of the Bible. One cannot be a Muslim and a Christian at the same time. You cannot be satan and God at the same time. These religions are diametrically opposed to each other.
    He is not the God of Abraham, and never was. He originated from paganism. The God of Abraham was Jehovah. There is no Jehovah in the Koran; it can't be found. The Jehovah of the OT is the Jesus of the NT. Try teaching that to a Muslim and you will run up agaisnt an immediate brick wall. Pagan gods are not to be equated with the God of Abraham. Why distort the facts? Abraham lived 2100 B.C. Mohammed lived 600 A.D., almost 3,000 years later. What makes you think that a man living 3,000 years after Abraham and coming out of a pagan polytheistic, animistic, background, and starting his own religion can claim Jehovah, the God of Abraham, as his God, when all of his religion contradicts what Abraham stood for. Unbelievable!!
    What was the so-called disguised blessing that was given to Ishmael? That he also would be a great nation; but that he would be a "wild man,"

    Genesis 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.

    That describes the Arabs today, and their friends (the converts to the religion of Islam). Islam is a violent religion (wild). Its hand is against every other hand (religion). And he shall dwell in the presence of his brethren (the Israelites). This was the so-called blessing that Ishamel received.
    He is named Jehovah many times, and is also identified with Christ in the NT. That immediately rules the Muslims as they cannot identify with Christ as God.
     
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    "You cannot be a Muslim and Christian" Dr. Ergun Caner (Former Sunni Muslim)
     
  11. Hope of Glory

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    Mind showing me where I said anything about a blessing?
     
  12. bound

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    I can appreciate the criticism concerning the Muslim understanding of 'God' (i.e. Allah).

    Be aware that our own term 'God' derives from the German 'Gott' (i.e. guthan) which if we trace it's origins was a pagan usage. I'd be careful with the kind of criticisms flying around here concerning the pagan 'roots' of al-lah (the-God). Every culture which picks up the worship of the Jewish God repurposing a local term for the Jewish divine person. To criticize Arabs for doing the exact same thing Romans, Greeks, German tribes did is a bit hypocritical.

    Be Well.
     
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    The 'god' is islam is a God of love and mercy, it is not a 'god' of personal relationships, the 'god' of islam does not have a Son named Jesus.
    Nothing in scriptures makes us believe the islamic 'god' is anyhting near the true God of the bible.
     
  14. Hope of Glory

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    Neither is it in many Baptist churches, yet I still think they worship the same God, only in error.
     
  15. LadyEagle

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    Baloney, but like I said in my first post on this thread, there will be some here on the BB who will debate the issue no matter what the evidence shows.

    The allah of the quran has completely different atributes than the Jehovah YHWH of the Bible. They are not one and the same.

    Besides that, the ArabBible refuses to use the term allah and here is the reason why:

    http://www.arabbible.com/information.php?info_id=7

    allah is a generic name. YHWH is not.
     
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    Some say that Allah and Jehovah are the same.
    Below is a chart of the attributes of each & here are the first two on the list:

    Allah: Unknowable: is so transcendent, so exalted, that no man can ever personally know Allah.

    Jehovah: Knowable: Jesus Christ came into the world so we could know God personally (John 17:3)

    Allah: Nonpersonal: Allah is not to be understood as a person. This would lower him to the level of a man.

    Jehovah: Personal: The God of the Bible is spoken of as a person with intellect, emotion, and will.

    http://www.vbmark.com/theology/jehovah.php
     
  17. DHK

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    Mcdowell aptly points out the differences between the God of Islam and the God of Christianity.
     
  18. donnA

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    It's always beyond my understanding why/how christians can defend a false god of a false religion.
     
  19. James Flagg

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    Agree.

    The Bible and The Koran are mutually exclusive, I believe.

    This just sounds like the religion of Universalism.
     
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    Islam is a religion that denies the Lord Jesus Christ----the only begotten of the Father from the House of Jacob the son of Isaac!!

    He who denies the Son----denies the Father!!! Islam is a religion of God deniers!!!! A God denier is one who says, "Yes I know there is a God-----but I have no use for Him! I have no desire for Him!!" A God denier does not say---"There is no God!!" A God denier says, "There is a God but He's not for me!" And thats what Islam and the Muslim religion says when they deny the Lord Jesus Christ!!
     
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