Are IRA and 401K plans next?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by HankD, Apr 13, 2012.

  1. HankD

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    Over the years The Social Security Trust Fund has been raided of real money.

    Soon, in similar fashion, will we be required to exchange at least part of our personal retirement fund accounts with wet ink Treasury Bonds?

    http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-parkersburg/congress-and-obama-want-your-401-k-s-and-iras

    Four more years?

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  2. InTheLight

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    From the article:

    Lawmakers have proposed changes - and the Obama administration will seek to force the conversion of 401(k) accounts and IRAs into annuities or other fixed income streams, and eliminate tax credits for future contributions.


    What lawmakers? What is the name of the legislative bill that proposes these changes?

    I ask because as far as I know the only proposed change was 1 out of 12 witnesses before a Congressional sub committee 2 years ago proposed converting IRA's into government annuities and that witness was roundly dismissed. Yet conservatives have taken that one incident and blown it up into a government takeover of your IRA scare tactic.
     
  3. Crabtownboy

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    In 2010 there was a flurry of articles about this. People have to write about something to meet their deadlines. I seen nothing current about this at all.

    If you notice Mullen's blog post is from 2010. Nothing to it IMHO.
     
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    Good catch. I missed that.
     
  5. billwald

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    >Over the years The Social Security Trust Fund has been raided of real money.

    More fun to tell "lies" and stir the pot than to read the Social Security legislation and learn the truth?
     
  6. targus

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    Perhaps you would be so kind as to share the relevant portion of the legislation that is being lied about so that we may all learn the truth.
     
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    The only reason anyone would believe this story is because, true or not, if you understand Obama and his socialist income redistribution agenda, it is entirely possible and a thing to be on the lookout for.

    Liberals and socialists just cannot keep their hands off other peoples money.
     
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    Considering democrats hunger for control of all individual assets, it would make sense they would eliminate tax credits for future contributions.

    They always seek to penalize those showing enough initiative to try to assure their own future, instead of depending on government to do it for them...similar to what they have already done with Obamacare.
     
  9. billwald

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    >Perhaps you would be so kind as to share the relevant portion of the legislation that is being lied about so that we may all learn the truth.

    YOU ARE COMPUTER LITERATE. Look it up for yourself.
     
  10. HankD

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    Admitedly this is still a "wishlist" item for the administration and has taken on a newer strategy - annuitizing our IRA/401K's.

    http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1732971

    If there are 4 more years of serfdom then it's a pretty good certainty it will happen and if another "crisis" comes along (to be taken advantage of) then its original form (straight out grab) will happen.

    How can a trillion or more $$$ be left out in the open from a now defunct constitutionally protected private ownership of property law without a federal takeover especially in the time of a "national crisis".

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...order-national-defense-resources-preparedness

    To be honest - of course our original founding fathers willing made this sacrifice pledging their fortunes to the preservation of our infant nation.

    My opinion of course.

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  11. targus

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    But how would I know what portion of the legislation you consider relevant to this supposed lie?

    You don't know what you are talking about so you fall back on the homework assignment dodge.

    You have no idea what the legislation says. :rolleyes:
     
  12. billwald

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    http://www.ssa.gov/history/35acti.html

    TITLE I- GRANTS TO STATES FOR OLD-AGE ASSISTANCE

    Appropriation
    Payment to States
    Operation of State Plans
    Administration
    Definition

    APPROPRIATION
    SECTION 1. For the purpose of enabling each State to furnish financial assistance, as far as practicable under the conditions in such State, to aged needy individuals, there is hereby authorized to be appropriated for the fiscal year ended June 30, 1936, the sum of $49,750,000, and there is hereby authorized to be appropriated for each fiscal year thereafter a sum sufficient to carry out the purposes of this title. The sums made available under this section shall be used for making payments to States which have submitted, and had approved by the Social Security Board established by Title VII (hereinafter referred to as the Board ), State plans for old-age assistance.

    STATE OLD-AGE ASSISTANCE PLANS

    SEC. 2. (a) A State plan for old-age assistance must
    (1) provide that it shall be in effect in all political subdivisions of the State, and, if administered by them, be mandatory upon them;
    (2) provide for financial participation by the State;
    (3) either provide for the establishment or designation of a single State agency to administer the plan, or provide for the establishment or designation of a single State agency to supervise the administration of the plan;
    (4) provide for granting to any individual, whose claim for old-age assistance is denied, an opportunity for a fair hearing before such State agency;
    (5) provide such methods of administration (other than those relating to selection, tenure of office, and compensation of personnel) as are found by the Board to be necessary for the efficient operation of the plan;
    (6) provide that the State agency will make such reports, in such form and containing such information, as the Board may from time to time require, and comply with such provisions as the Board may from time to time find necessary to assure the correctness and verification of such reports; and
    (7) provide that, if the State or any of its political subdivisions collects from the estate of any recipient of old-age assistance any amount with respect to old-age assistance furnished him under the plan, one- half of the net amount so collected shall be promptly paid to the United States. Any payment so made shall be deposited in the Treasury to the credit of the appropriation for the purposes of this title.

    (b) The Board shall approve any plan which fulfills the conditions specified in subsection (a), except that it shall not approve any plan which imposes, as a condition of eligibility for old-age assistance under the plan-
    (1) An age requirement of more than sixty-five years, except that the plan may impose, effective until January 1, 1940, an age requirement of as much as seventy years; or
    (2) Any residence requirement which excludes any resident of the State who has resided therein five years during the nine years immediately preceding the application for old-age assistance and has resided therein continuously for one year immediately preceding the application; or (3) Any citizenship requirement which excludes any citizen of the United States.

    PAYMENT TO STATES

    SEC. 3. (a) From the sums appropriated therefor, the Secretary of the Treasury shall pay to each State which has an approved plan for old-age assistance, for each quarter, beginning with the quarter commencing July 1, 1935,
    (1) an amount, which shall be used exclusively as old-age assistance, equal to one-half of the total of the sums expended during such quarter as old-age assistance under the State plan with respect to each individual who at the time of such expenditure is sixty-five years of age or older and is not an inmate of a public institution, not counting so much of such expenditure with respect to any individual for any month as exceeds $30, and
    (2) 5 per centum of such amount, which shall be used for paying the costs of administering the State plan or for old-age assistance, or both, and for no other purpose: Provided, That the State plan, in order to be approved by the Board, need not provide for financial participation before July 1, 1937, by the State, in the case of any State which the Board, upon application by the State and after reasonable notice and opportunity for hearing to the State, finds is prevented by its constitution from providing such financial participation.

    (b) The method of computing and paying such amounts shall be as follows:
    (1) The Board shall, prior to the beginning of each quarter, estimate the amount to be paid to the State for such quarter under the provisions of clause (1) of subsection (a), such estimate to be based on
    (A) a report filed by the State containing its estimate of the total sum to be expended in such quarter in accordance with the provisions of such clause, and stating the amount appropriated or made available by the State and its political subdivisions for such expenditures in such quarter, and if such amount is less than one-half of the total sum of such estimated expenditures, the source or sources from which the difference is expected to be derived,
    (B) records showing the number of aged individuals in the State, and
    (C) such other investigation as the Board may find necessary.

    (2) The Board shall then certify to the Secretary of the Treasury the amount so estimated by the Board, reduced or increased, as the case may be, by any sum by which it finds that its estimate for any prior quarter was greater or less than the amount which should have been paid to the State under clause (1) of subsection (a) for such quarter, except to the extent that such sum has been applied to make the amount certified for any prior quarter greater or less than the amount estimated by the Board for such prior quarter.

    (3) The Secretary of the Treasury shall thereupon, through the Division of Disbursement of the Treasury Department and prior to audit or settlement by the General Accounting Office, pay to the State, at the time or times fixed by the Board, the amount so certified, increased by 5 per centum.

    OPERATION OF STATE PLANS

    SEC. 4. In the case of any State plan for old-age assistance which has been approved by the Board, if the Board, after reasonable notice and opportunity for hearing to the State agency administering or supervising the administration of such plan, finds-
    (1) that the plan has been so changed as to impose any age, residence, or citizenship requirement prohibited by section 2 (b), or that in the administration of the plan any such prohibited requirement is imposed, with the knowledge of such State agency, in a substantial number of cases; or
    (2) that in the administration of the plan there is a failure to comply substantially with any provision required by section 2 (a) to be included in the plan; the Board shall notify such State agency that further payments will not be made to the State until the Board is satisfied that such prohibited requirement is no longer so imposed, and that there is no longer any such failure to comply. Until it is so satisfied it shall make no further certification to the Secretary of the Treasury with respect to such State.

    ADMINISTRATION

    SEC. 5. There is hereby authorized to be appropriated for the fiscal year ending June 30, 1936, the sum of $250,000, for all necessary expenses of the Board in administering the provisions of this title.

    DEFINITION

    SEC. 6. When used in this title the term old age assistance means money payments to aged individuals.
     
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    So which paragraphs refute the supposed lie?
     

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