Are the Baptist the NEW AGE CHURCH

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  1. Joseph shall add

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    I have heard many times from many baptist that other churchs are new age Churchs. So as it is we should always check in at our own church first and see if we might be right or wrong in our actions and conduct.
    I would like your thinking as to if you believe the baptist as a whole are correct or wrong in a number of areas.
    The bible will be the insterment of our research into these issues and also personnel witness of church actions is welcome
    A New Age church often promotes things not in the bible or are clearly indicated in the bible.
    New Age Churchs often add doctrines that are not bible based.
    And a New Age Bible also misleads people about what the bible clearly states.

    As a study of this I propose a couple areas of study. According the Scripture, the old testiment forshows the coming church. What was will be and what is has already been. Also we know that from the Story of Noah and the Ark, Which also speak of Christ and salvation via the one door. And also that the Church is a extention of Israel who we are grafted into. Thus the pattern of the church also is shown in the levitial priesthood, Christ being the high priest.

    So that being the case it would stand to reason that the process of salvation would indeed be shown in the old testiment and that most likely in the exodius story. When the children of Israel came out of Egypt.

    So now I pose a few study question.

    First many Baptist say the earth is 6000 years old! Can you prove the earth is 6000 years old per the scriptures? Or can you prove it is much older then 6000 years per the scriptures?

    Second some Baptist state that a christians receives the Holy Spirit at the time of slavation. Can you show from the scriptures what you receive the Holy Spirit at the time of salvation?

    Third is there a difference between the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Jesus Christ? Of course both are fully God. According to Issiah, the Government of God would be upon Jesus Christ I think it is in ISA 11. Now Jesus said I Go to send another.

    Can you be saved with out the Spirit of Jesus Christ?

    Forth what happens when the Holy Spirit comes upon you? And what is the evidence of having the Holy Spirit?
    What is the Holy spirit function in a christians life?

    Fifth do christians lie? per the scriptures.
    Can a lier enter into heaven?

    Last.
    In the later times per scriptures men will enter into the pulpit who lack the power of the Holy Spirit. Who are wolfs in sheeps clothing. So the power being spoke of here is like that of the Apostles. How does your church line up, power or wolfs?

    I will poop back in and see how it is going. Good luck and God bless you.
     
  2. Grasshopper

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    Before you poop out, are you a Baptist?
     
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  4. Joseph shall add

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    100 percent baptist here. And you?
     
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    Don't believe you
     
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    ...not even worth the effort...
     
  7. Joseph shall add

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    I don't know what that would have to due with the study subject.
     
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    If you are going to troll, at least use spell check!
     
  9. Joseph shall add

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    Don't know what trolling is unless it involves a flatbottom boat. Don't know how to use speel check. Also I am cooking dinner so I have not got time to be using a spell checker. And I am disflexic also so I most likly would use spell check wrong anyway. But man I can cook.
     
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    Posts like this with only 8 posts total are worrisome. It would be better to respond to posts and get to know the forum before posting large questioning posts like you have done here. Your questions give you away. Try again later with a more sincere post.:wavey:
     
  11. Joseph shall add

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    I guess hard questions are ment to slap us in the face and wake us up, it is time for some hard questions.
    Paul I think once said having begain in the flesh have you now decided to run the race in the Flesh. I finished cooking not i am eating i will check back in a bit.
     
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    ==Not sure what Baptists you are listening to. However I don't believe, and nobody I personally know believes, that non-Baptist churches are "new age churches". We work with Methodist, Presbyterian, Pentecostal, Freewill Baptists, etc, all the time. I know many other Baptist churches do the same thing. How many Baptists have you heard claim that non-Baptist churches are new age? Is this something you hear from Baptists often or just now and then?


    ==Since there are so many different types of Baptists, I think it is rather risky to try to speak of them generally. You will have to be more specific.

    ==This is evidence of what I said above. Baptists hold different views on this. It is impossible to say what Baptists "generally" believe on this. Personally I agree with the late J. Vernon McGee who said the Bible does not answer the age of the earth question.


    ==Eph 1:13-14.


    ==I understand the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ to be one and the same. He is the Spirit of God.


    ==No (Rom 8:9-11).


    ==It depends upon the person and how the Spirit chooses to gift him/her (1Cor 12).


    ==There are many (Rom 8:26-27, Jn 14:16-18, 1Cor 13:11, etc).


    ==Can a Christian sin by lying? Yes. Can a Christian lie on a regular basis (habitually)? No (1Jn 3:9-10, 1Cor 6:9-10, Gal 5:19-21, Rev 21:8).


    ==I would say power.

    ==I rolled in laughter when I saw this. It still makes me chuckle. I'll tell you what, before you "poop back in" why don't you judge yourself instead of trying to find reasons to judge others (Matt 7:1-5, 1Cor 11:31-32).

    Btw, you mentioned the phrase "New Age Bible". Smacks of Gail Riplinger. Be honest, are you a KJV-Only Riplinger fan? If so, may I turn one of your questions back on you? Where in the Bible does it state that the only Bible is the King James Version? If you are not a KJV/Riplinger fan just say no and ignore the next paragraph.

    Don't misunderstand me. I love the KJV. However I don't have much patience for legalistic pharisee who impose an unBiblical "law" on Christ's sheep. Unless/until someone can prove, with Scripture, that the KJV is the only real Bible, I will continue to refer to KJV-Only teachers as pharisee.
     
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    ==I don't think your questions are hard. The tone of the op makes many suspect that you are just trying to start an argument. While this is a debate forum, I think many of us get tired of having our strings pulled by people who pop onto the forum with posts like the op. Just my opinion. Take it for what it is worth.
     
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    a changed heart, a changed life, neither of whch can be doen without the indwelling Holy Spirit.

    Tine will tell if the diagnosis of being a troll if a fact or not, I suspect it is.
     
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    The questions aren't hard they are just absurd and your doctrine is nothing remotely close to that of a Baptist. Pretend all you want.
     
  16. Joseph shall add

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    I understand that some people do that kind of thing, I shall not be one of them.

    The questions I post will be answered via the bible. You have provided good answers thus far.

    It is my contention that the Bapitst for the most part do not understand the government of God that God has placed on Christ sholders. Thus made the word of God of no effect by vain tradition. And have lost all power as a result. Once the Baptist moved in great power, They had the holy spirit and operated in the gifts.

    I shall expound upon that in this study. As a example please refer to EPH1: 13 and 14 Which states the "HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE" not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit of Promise is the Spirit of Jesus Christ. As fortold by the prophets.

    The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Father God. At the moment of salvation the Fathers Holy Spirit come to you with the offer of salvation. He seals you by pouring the "Holy Spirit of Promise" into you vessel. That is Jesus Spirit as in the "redeeming spirit".
    Jesus spoke about the living waters to the woman at the well and said if you had ask me I would have given you livings water of which you would never again thursted. He is speaking of the Spirit of Promise. Also Jesus said i am poured out like water. John 7:38 also speak again of the living waters coming from the heart of the believer.

    In the instructions of the Lord as in the new testiment Jesus states the following. If you will ask me I will ask the Father and he will send you the conforter, the teacher "Holy Spirit". This was the Christ telling the apostles to ask God and Him for the Holy Spirit.

    At salvation you do not ask for the Holy Spirit so you are not going to get him. You receive the Spirit of promise. The redemptive spirit of Jesus. If you did receive him then Jesus God would not have said ask for him.

    As with all things there is a order and a process. In the process of salvation we must look as what Jesus has said.
    He said you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you. The reference here is power like the apostles and prophets of old. Not vain forms of power. I move in real power, do healing, do mericals in the name of Jesus. I flow in the spirit of Christ. Allow Christ to flow through me in the process. That is what the bible is speaking about.

    The evidence of the Holy Spirit ( the Fathers Spirit ) is power, moving in mericals and wonders. Jesus said as many as the Father gives me are mine. Once again informing us of the government of God.

    In the wisdom of God we find that God has established a government of operation of the process of salvation and the operational system of empowerment. The process is straight forward and quite simple actually. 4000 years after the fall of Adam. God send to great light into the world. One to rule over the day and One to rule over the nite. These lights are spoke of in the genisus account on the forth day. These are not natural lights natural light was already created.

    There are the Holy Spirit of the Promise/Son and the Holy Spirit of the Father. In acts we find it writen if you have the son you have the father and if you have the father you have the son. That is correct. But it does not state you have the Holy Spirit living in you. The goal of the Spirit of the Father is to live in you and have relationship with you. Actually he wants to conform you to the image of Christ. And to lead you to all truth and knowledge. He also wants to empower you for the work of the ministry.

    If you were to research the gosples of the apostles you would find when speaking of the baptism. That is stated he will baptist you with water, the Holy Spirit and with Fire.
    Three different things, a trinity system. God is one, and by one spirit all are baptised and into one spirit we are baptisted. That being stated we are each baptised with the "Holy Spirit of Promise". Jesus own spirit.

    When we come into a loving and obident relationship with the Father and toward the Father. In other words mature. If we will ask the Lord Jesus to send us the Holy Spirit ( fathers spirit ) he will ask the Father to send us the teacher, refiner, empower, confortor, the gifter and the helper. And then we walk in power and knowledge. Until that we do not have power. Jesus said I am the Father are one.

    It is the Fathers will that you and the Father be one, as Jesus and he were one. In the scriptures we see might men and woman across the whole landscape of time moving in the power or God. They had the Holy Spirit, the spirit of Promise had not been give yet.

    God is light, Jesus said I am light. Indeed Jesus spirit is light as well. At the moment of salvation a blue light appears in your spirit that is the light of Jesus Christ. When the fathers spirit comes to live in you a red light is seen with in your spirit for the first time. He is a consuming fire. The are the two annointed ones who stand before the thrown of God almighty.

    So these are not exactly the same are they. They are in affect the government of God working in you. You are the temple, High Priest ( Jesus ) comes to live in you at salvation. and "God the Father" want to move in when you will ask. The kingdom of God is in you is the clue. In Gods kingdom there is You, the High priest and the one true God.
    You are in affect a replication of heaven in this trinity form.

    The earth is of great age per a scripture in the bible. Not a short 6 thousand years. Man has been on the earth for 6000 years. Since the fall of Adam. The earth was destroyed by water at the time of Noah, By ice in the rebellions of the wicked one that happened millions of years ago and God caused the stars not to shine and the ice age came. And God will destory the earth by fire ( a consuming fire ) the last time. 3 the number of completion. And these two are baptisms. What was will be and what is has happend before.

    So you see a pattern being created here baptism by water, Holy Spirit and fire. Both mankind and the earth itself.

    That pattern is also shown in the exodius story. The passed through the waters ( water baptisem ) then they followed the piller of fire by night and the piller of smoke/cloud by day.
    It is a form of being baptised in the Spirit of the Day ( Jesus Christ ) and the Spirit of the Night ( the Holy Spirit ) The two great lights of the Forth day of creation. Who rule over men and God kingdom.

    This pattern is shown many times in the scriptures it is most important actually. Done any mericals lately, healed anyone, called anything into existance, have any walked on water, Do you have the Holy Spirit?

    I judge no one friend but If I were to judge my judgement would be right. For It is not I that live but Christ in me. For i have put away that old man with his sin and live unto Christ and am dead to the things of the world yet in Christ I abound. Therefor if I Judge it is only by Christ and not of myselfs for I judge no man weather jew or gentile. Yet Christ shall Judge all according to the error of man, some shall be case away and other geithered in. And this to is of Christ that some shall be rasied to everlasting comtempt and others raised to everlasting Glory. Shall you acuse Christ, heaven forbid. Abide in Love by slow to judge and quick to consider for all is appointed under heaven by the same God. Some are appointed to suffer and others to abound. Who are we to judge one another. Do you know that he who judge his brother judges the law of God and has become sounding brass and useless. And has Judged God in so doing.
     
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    Can I ask you - does your pastor teach this?

    Can I also ask how old you are or if you are a native of the states? I ask this because your spelling, capitalization, punctuation and grammar is more like a younger person or someone who's native language is not English. It's hard to follow your posts because of this.
     
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    I and many others do not read posts this long - we don't have time.

    It would be much better to pick one point you want to make and stick to that with 2 or 3 paragraphs expanding on it.
     
  19. Joseph shall add

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    I am American actually. And my pastor has me teach actually. As for my english I am dislexic. And have spent to many years overseas so it is no longer my native tounge.
    I AM 49
     
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    False teaching number 1. "If you do not do the things I say you do not have the Holy Spirit and are not saved."

    Typical Pentecostal lie.



    I shall expound upon that in this study. As a example please refer to EPH1: 13 and 14 Which states the "HOLY SPIRIT OF PROMISE" not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit of Promise is the Spirit of Jesus Christ. As fortold by the prophets.


    More Pentacostal gibberish trying to make distinctions where none exist. Pentecostals like you have no exegetical skills.

    This is heresy. It adds a fourth party to the Trinity. Again Pentecostals like yourself have no exegetical skills.


    This is again heresy as it adds a fourth to the God Head.

    Really? Show me the prophets of "old" and where they did these "miracles" .
    You continue your twisted view of God and combine a "government of God" with performing miracles. You have a narrow view of God that His power can only move through miracles.

    You are in dire need of some instruction on hermeneutics. This kind of drivel is what you get when you think you need no training in scripture. I challenge you to break scripture down line by line and show all of us lost folk how you came to this conclusion.
    You have no understanding of the Godhead. Again you add to the Godhead by adding a fourth person.

    More heresy on the Godhead. Jesus said He would leave so that the comforter would come. God acts in all things through His Spirit of which there is only one. And I dare say that you rail against educated pastors because you know that none who have been trained in the Word will hold to your heresy as it becomes so very obvious.
    And again with the fourth person of the God head.

    And yet you provide no scripture and break down of it. Simply saying that scripture says something is neither convincing nor does it make it true. But then what do us educated pastors know?

    Which doe nothing to prove your point.


    Show us these people moving across the "landscape".

    So now in your vast knowledge of scripture you take the light literally and give it a color. Where in scripture does God give it the color blue.


    Where in scipture does it say Jesus gives us a "red Light"?

    "The" are? Who are "the". Jesus sits at the right hand of His Father (Rom 8:34)

    What is not exactly the same?

    Who?

    What scripture?

    Provide scripture

    Provide scripture

    We do not see anything since you use no scripture.

    Where does scripture say it is a form of being baptized?

    So we can call people into existence? You sir are a heretic.

    Now you have just misquote all kinds of scripture and plowed them into one pile so as to support your heresy without referencing any of them. This post has been reported.
     
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