Are the Jews still God's people?

It's God's way of telling us to go to bed! Your triplicate posts symbolize the trinity... lol

 

I am only saying that we have no evidence that the current political state of Israel is the Biblical nation of Israel. So, I guess yes, the current state of Israel contains many Jewish people, but Jews live all over the world.

God's promises to American, Russian, and Irish Jews are just as valid as His promise to Jews in Israel.

 

Zechariah 12:1-14

Verse ten is yet to be fulfilled.

Who carries the message of grace today? The Church

As national and political relationships go, all nations will turn against Israel, including America. But that will happen to the Church first.

This is the witness that will open the eyes of the people that God had called His own by the flesh of Abraham, Issac and Jacob. We, the Church, are the current "House of God" and as such it is our calling to witness. The first Church was 98% Jewish and it's witness to the Gentiles was in tribulation and persecution. The last generation is 98% Gentile and it will witness to the Jewish Nation in world wide tribulation and persecutions.

Now remember what Jesus said;

 

Genesis 25:25

25And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.


So, what do you think, how many red haired jews do you know?

 

I think it has.

Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn.


Jhn 19:36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
Jhn 19:37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.



John says scripture was fulfilled.

 

Interesting. But I don't understand your point.

 

Marking, get back to you

 

Yet, how many times do we see God doing just that throughout the OT? If God is that longsuffering, shouldn't we be?

 

The scripture of Psalm 22 is what is fulfilled here.

At this time both the Jew and the Roman (Gentiles) either forsook Him or berated Him.

The Scripture of Zechariah is of the future when Jerusalem is a burden to the world. Just as it is right now as the war with Gaza is going on. Revival is coming and it will be in Israel. The context of Chapter 12 is that of the house of David (Jews) and the inhabitants of Jerusalem and all the families of Israel morning for Him, not berating Him.

 

I don't know why it's so hard to understand. Jews right now reject him. Jews, if you believe Daniel, will repent eventually, probably not for a while, but they will. And when they do, then the promises will be fulfilled.

And I have never said Jews who reject Christ are saved. I don't know why people keep saying I have.

 

The Curse of "Replacement Theology" has infiltrated into all denominations now including Baptists. The Early Church Fathers were Jewish. It was after the early Gentile Church Fathers took over that there was a "Replacement Theology."

The reason the Jews (for the most part) reject Christ now is because Paul says in Romans 11 that God blinded them.

[7] What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded.
[25] For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

So God did it. It was part of His plan. If it weren't for their blindness, the Gospel would be unknown to us. And Paul heeds us not to be "wise in our own conceits regarding this issue." When the fullness of Gentiles is come, Paul says the blindness will be lifted from them.

 

There is absolutely no reason for some folks on your side of this theological disagreement to spew forth such venom toward the folks on the other side. This may be a great debate ot have, but whichever side of the argument we come down on it has absolutely nothing to do with our being saved.

 

Well I happen to agree with this statement which is why I call it a curse:

It came from here - a great article:

http://www.contender.org/articles/repisrl.htm

 

Amen Lady Eagle Amen. :godisgood:

 

I couldn't disagree with that statement more. Those who oppose your view have offered ample Biblical evidence. Your side may not agree with it but that is no reason to badmouth fellow Christians.

 

Have you read some of the threads about our dispensational view, and the vitriolic phrases describing us?

 

LE... What is the problem with replacement theology. I never heard it called that but the verses seem fairly clear to me. Some of the branches of Israel were broken off and Gentiles were grafted into the Church. Peter, Paul and the writer of Hebrews also refer to it as an inheritance. That we (the gentiles in the Church) are inheritors with the promises God made to the patriarchs of Israel (see Palatka51 post on Zec 12).

 

We all know Paul was an Israelite of the tribe of Benjamin, why did he say this:


1 Corinthians 9:20

And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;

If Paul was born a jew why did he need to become "as one"? It would seem the term jew is more indicative of the law, aka as Judaism to many. In the O.T., any man (non-Israelite) could become one of Gods by following Gods commands. (Isaiah 56:4-8) I don't know if I should call the religion of Moses and Christ Judaism, so let's call it the law since Judaism imparts more teaching from the Babylonian Talmud than the bible. Even in Esther 8:17, we see men of Persia "becoming" jews for fear of the jews. It would seem that not all jews are Israelites. Since any man willing to follow God was redeemed by God, has salvation really changed?

 

Why, of course, Luke was a Jew!

Cheers,

Jim