Are the majority of those on the BB hostile to the IFB's?

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  1. Chris L.

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    Hello,

    I consider myself an independent baptist but not necessarily of the fundamental type. I used to belong to an IFB church, and I would be willing to join one again if and when I find a good one, which I've found out is not an easy task nowadays.

    Anyway having said that, I've noticed while traveling around this board that a large percentage of those here seem to be openly hostile to IFB's and their beliefs. I know that this isn't unusual in most Christian quarters but I'm surprised to find so much of it here on a forum that calls itself a BaptistBoard. There are many here who don't seem to fit into the catagory of "Baptist". There are others whom I'm not sure what they are. I've seen more writings and arguments from orthodox, calvinists, protestants, etc, than from anyone else (OK so I may be exaggerating a little here).

    Many of those on this board who call themselves baptist seem way too secular and ecumenical, and this is coming from a person who has no strong love affair with fundamentalism. I've seen one person here who was criticized and made fun of for speaking out against secular Rock/Pop music as if it's a perfectly normal and acceptable thing for a baptist Christian to indulge in with no questions or strings attached. Since when? Not one person who responded to his comments felt it was anything really worth thinking about and made a big joke of it. The likes of Elton John were A-OK with them. That's pretty sad.

    On the other hand, there are those certain IFB only forums that basically treat other Christians like garbage that don't agree 100% with their infallible issues and will quickly ban those Christians without a warning, explanation or rebuke and/or delete their topics simply for asking honest questions that some Holier-then-thou moderator didn't like (It happened to me). So mabye a board that tolerates every and all creeds is a good thing?

    Mabye a board like this is in response to those kind of IFB boards mentioned above by those baptists fed up with them? What do you think?
     
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    I have found the moderators to be fair in their application of the rules.

    Most of the times when folks complain, like you are here, they have violated a specific rule for which they are called on. They then open a thread to slam the mods.

    If that is what you are doing, it isn't a good idea, and isn't going to pass muster with most of the folks here.

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    Chris, I sympathize with some of your concerns, but don't get a martyr complex. I've been shocked many times myself since coming to BB by the wideness in opinions here. But this is good for you. You and I need to learn how to articulate our positions in the face of opposition.
     
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    I know hardly anything about IFB beliefs, and unless/until I do I really have no opinion. One thing I have noticed, don't know if it is common or not, maybe just a few is that they tend toward legalism, but then I have a very good friend here who is is IFB and not legalistic.
     
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    I grew up and was trained by IFB churches and colleges, so I have a warm spot in my heart for the IFB. I am no longer in the IFB. But I look back at some of the old time IFB-ers and wish their statesmanship, scholarship and standards were still around.
    Sometimes I think they have been morphed from a church-planting, soul winning persona to a king james only, 2nd degree separationist group. And no others dare apply.
     
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    Well, since you asked....I grew up IFB dysfunctional.... and maybe some of my beliefs are reactionary against the unbiblical rules that are made up by a lot (but not all) of IFBs...

    Another commonality that I have observed is the habit of painting with a broad brush... Just look at the OP... To say that all secular music is sinful is too broad... not to mention there is no biblical basis.

    Sin should be stood against... but make sure what you are against is actually sin, and not cultural bias, personal opinion, or just something that an emotional preacher preached against.

    Another thing I have observed is the "I'm right all others are wrong" attitude... just look at some of the posts around this board. Some IFBs come here guns ablazing trying to "straighten" all us non-IFBs out.

    That is the sin of pride.

    Now there are a few IFBs here that are not like this, as there are a few in the real world that are not like this. But from where I came from, if you were not KJVO, didn't stand against CCM, didn't made your woman wear dresses, and would let your woman cut her hair, you were considered a liberal.
    That's why I am not a IFB... I believe in the fundamentals, but the neo-fundamentalists today have added to "the fundamentals" rules and regulations that are not found in the Bible.... and in my opinion, that is so they can feel more holier than the rest of us...Pride.

    Which leads me to this question: How can a person call themselves fundamental if they add to the Bible?
     
  7. Chris L.

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    I'm not speaking as a fundamentalist and I'am in no way speaking against or attempting to slam the moderators here. I've had no problem with them and have been treated well, much better than I was treated at some IFB sites. This is the first time that I came on a baptist forum where so many were openly critical of IFB's and still tolerated. It came as a surprise to me, that's all. I was just wondering if anyone else here felt the same way.

    I myself have issues with the fundamentalist movement but I know they are not all the same and I admire the better things about them and the work they do for Christ.

    Right or wrong, at least I know where an IFB stands, which is more than I can say for most.
     
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    One thing you'll see here is that there are all different kinds of Baptists here, and the mods are fair. I myself have been banned from some boards because I dared to ask a question the mods didn't want to answer.

    There are other, more liberal boards than this one too. I think BB is pretty fair and stays away from the extremes.
     
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    I totally agree. Too many of them always assume the worst about everything and everyone and charge everyone as guilty before God until proven fundamentalist.

    I was mainly speaking about Rock/Pop. I don't condemn all forms of music just because it doesn't have the name Jesus in it somewhere, but I don't see how a Christian can have no problem listening to stuff that mocks and insults God on a regular basis and clearly stands in total contrast to biblical values.

    Also, I have a problem with the world always setting the standard for society and the church, instead of the other way around. Unlike Classical music for example which evolved from the church to a certain degree and doesn't keep getting more immoral and vile with each passing year, Rock music was always of the world and about rebellion since day one. Look how bad it got in a few decades? It doesn't look good to an unbeliever if a lot of Christian music is just a poor imitation of what the world has to offer. If a person can't tell any difference between a Christian and a worldly person there's something wrong. Were supposed to be winning people to Jesus.

    This is what I like about the IFB's. They try really hard to keep worldly garbage from creeping into their church, and I sympathize with them for all the flak they get, I just don't like the extremes some of them go to, they are unnecessary and come off as unloving. I refuse to break fellowship with an individual if they don't use the same bible that I do, or because they know someone that the IFB's don't like.

    Yes, and you're expected to abandon all logic and reason and just tow the party line, lest you start thinking for yourself.

    Amen.
     
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    Let me see - both moderators of this particular forum are IFBs.

    I don't feel animosity toward me unless I ask for it, and it never has to do with the fact that I am IFB.
     
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    You should hear what some IBF’rs say about Southern Baptists.



    And of course to some on this board there are those who seem to be overboard on separation.



    Does John Denver fall into that category? Lionel Richie? The Bee Gees? See the problem?




    Perhaps it can be shown in scripture where listening to a song like “Little Jeannie” is a sin.

    I think the moderators on this Board have been very fair, with one exception. But he is no longer a moderator on the Fundamental Forum.
     
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    Where in the Bible it's wrong to listen to music (something made to use in the worship of God) that doesn't glorify God?

    1 Corinthians 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.


    Matthew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.


    Ephesians 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;

    Colossians 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
     
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    What is legalism?

    What is your particular definition of legalism? Unfortunately, this is an emotionally laden word that usually means someone whose standards in a particular area are more restrictive than my own. :smilewinkgrin:

    Critics of IFB's typically label them as legalists if the IFB's hold to a strongly conservative music standards (i.e. hymns and gospel songs). On the other hand, the same critics would agree that Gangster Rap is hardly glorifying to God and appropiate for church worship services. Both the IFB's and their critics have some standard of acceptable and unacceptable. Therefore, the IFB'er is no more a legalist, because he holds a conservative standard, than his critic who has a much broader standard. It is just a question of where you set the standard. Calling the IFB'ers legalists is so much hogwash and foolishness. There's a lot of fuzzy thinking, or perhaps lack of thinking, when it comes to legalism.
     
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    My preacher makes a great statement about standards and morals and "legalism". He says, "Grace asks much more than the law requires."
    In regards to the music, in my mind I don't think that Paul was playing the electric guitar or drums while singing praises to God in the Phillipian jail...
     
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    No, Paul didn't use an electric guitar, obviously. But I wondered what David would have sounded like if he used one.

    Well one thing for certain, God really ROCKED that jail that night!
    Maybe that's where Elvis got "Jailhouse Rock"
    BOO HIsss... That was bad even for me!!!!!
     
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    Getting back on track...

    I am IFB and have been a member of the BB for a while now and personally never have felt hostility. Of course there are some folks who go looking for trouble and always find it, whether they be IFB, SBC, XYZ, or 123.
     
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    It becomes legalism when the preacher stands at the pulpit and tells you which music is sinful and which is not. Niether of your examples is "legalism" they are personal convictions. However when you do, as Jack Hyles and many other IFB'rs do, stand in the pulpit and take your personal conviction and force it onto others you become a legalist. The same goes for KJVO, co-operation with other believers who are not Baptist, alien immersion, etc......This is why some people are hostile to some IFB churches.
     
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    So it's wrong to tell someone it's a sin to listen to Elton John, in your opinion?
     
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    Yes.

    I have no problem you telling someone in your opinion it is a sin. Let the Holy Spirit convict, not preachers from the pulpit.
     
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    That would be a lessor sin.

    The greater sin would be in listening to him.
     

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