Are the many recent hurricanes from God?

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  1. Craigbythesea

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    Are the many recent hurricanes from God, the devil, or mother nature?
     
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    They are a natural part of God's creation.
     
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    All things are from God (Rom 11:32). If you are asking (and I assume that you are), Is God sending these hurricanes as some kind of judgment, then there is simply no way to know. The rain falls on the just and the unjust alike (even when it is a lot of rain).
     
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    I think the answer is in Nature, being the nature of weather patterns.

    Could God stop a Hurricane? Yes, does He? No,

    Why doesnt God stop a hurricane? Likely for the same reason that He does not stop people from sinning, He has given the world over to complete free will for a time, He will intervene though as described in Jude 14 when He returns.
     
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    You realize that what you just proposed is something similar to Deism, which is heresy?
     
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    How do you know this? While He doesn't cause one to simply disappear, He may well cause it not to form, or to weaken as He sees fit. Or to change course, even.

    I can't prove that He intervenes, but I can't see how anyone could say that He doesn't.

    God, in the form of Jesus, surely affected weather patterns in the NT. It's been done before...
     
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    Is a calm sunny day with temperatures at 70 defrees F from God, the devil, or mother nature?

    Is a foggy day from God, the devil, or mother nature?

    Is a light rain shower from God, the devil, or mother nature?

    Is partly cloudy with a chance of flurries from God, the devil, or mother nature?

    Are 6 foot waves from God, the devil, or mother nature?

    Are 2 foot waves from God, the devil, or mother nature?

    Is snow from God, the devil, or mother nature?

    I think you see where I'm going. God has created the laws of the universe. All these events act within the laws of the universe. They're normal, natural, and expected. If you don't want to encounter a hurricane, don't live on the east coast of the US. Granted, you're likely to get some other natural event, like a tornado, earthquake, Santa Ana wind, blizzard, etc, but at least it won't be a hurricane.
     
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    I'm not so sure God doesn't lovingly craft each rain storm Himself, up to and including hurricanes. What we call 'laws' are really just how God chooses to do things, and He can override those laws at any time. Natural 'law' says if you throw a man in a fiery furnace, he burns up. But that doesn't always happen.
     
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    James,

    I really liked the way you put your post. It puts on the emphasis where it needs to be on God. Thanks

    Bro Tony
     
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    I had some neighbors who were joking that God was "angry" with Florida for their inability to use the punchcards the last time in the election, so this time He thought that since they couldn't do that correctly and there were a bunch of dems from NY also registered in FL, he would "get even" with them. I had to laugh, but man, oh man, the warped things that can come into someone's mind!

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    Your neighbors are sadly misguided. Now, you and I might indeed be angry at Florida for their inability to use the punchcards, but I don't think God gives a chad.
     
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    (They are a natural part of God's creation.)

    I am not sure I would agree so much with this, But I understand the comment.

    Hurricanes are a result of sin being brought into the world. Causing corruption in everything the thorns on roses, Earthquakes, Storms all caused by the unnatural corruption added to God's Creation by us.

    But what we have to look for to is that one day We will never have to worry about anything anymore for God will restore Earth to before the curse and we will Live with Jesus on Earth forever.
     
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    Perfect Post! [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] In Christ, WT
     
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    How do you know this? While He doesn't cause one to simply disappear, He may well cause it not to form, or to weaken as He sees fit. Or to change course, even.

    I can't prove that He intervenes, but I can't see how anyone could say that He doesn't.

    God, in the form of Jesus, surely affected weather patterns in the NT. It's been done before...
    </font>[/QUOTE]To my knowledge, God has never intervened in modern times to change weather patterns. I have no doubt that He could if He wished to. How can I say that He doesnt? By looking at what is "fair". God treats everyone equally, He favours not one over another, hence He does not spare the lives of some while allowing others to die in other cases.

    Consider the people that died in the world trade centre builings on Sep 11, many born again Christians died there. yet no doubt there were also other born again christians who for being on holidays or having been on a sick day from work or simply being out of the office were spared. People may say that God spared those people and let the others die, I dont see it that way, the people died because of the freewill choice of others. God gave them freewill. Why did God not strike the terrorists dead to stop it from happening? Because if He did that He would extinguish there last hope of choosing Him and would condemn them to Hell, God lets everyone have the opportunity to choose Him even if it means not striking someone down to save someone else.

    God did however calm the raging seas when He was in the boat with the disciples, yet again this was prior to the New Covenant being fully established.
     
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    You realize that what you just proposed is something similar to Deism, which is heresy? </font>[/QUOTE]No I am not aware that I am proposing anything that is similar to "Deism"

    Deism being believing in God based only on natural reasoning?

    Consider Rev 22:18-18 Where the Bible is ended and we are told that no man may add any more to the book. There is no more revelation, we have all the revelation in Jesus Christ. God intervened in the world when He came as Jesus to it. Yet He then made a New Covenant through which we might find the way. People asked Jesus to make signs happen in the sky so that they might believe and they were refused, there is the one way through Jesus to God the Father, no other ways or interventions.
     
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    Good point:
    C4K's revised view

    "They are a natural part of God's creation as affected by sin"
     
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    Your neighbors are sadly misguided. Now, you and I might indeed be angry at Florida for their inability to use the punchcards, but I don't think God gives a chad. </font>[/QUOTE]LOL, I don't either! ;) It did give me a chance to witness to them and invite them to the Special meetings coming up in a month or so. They said they are going to be on vacation in of all places.....Orlando, FL.

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    You said "To my knowledge..." - and that's my point. How would you know if God caused a change in a hurricane? While we all know that plenty of bad things happen to good people, how do you know that God didn't intervene to both weaken and change the course of Ivan in response to prayers?

    I know in my circles there was great concern over Ivan striking south Florida, and then New Orleans. While I can't say for certain that God altered the path and intensity of the storm, I find it equally uncertain to say He didn't.

    I see no way of knowing either way. There was still death and destruction - but certainly less than was possible if conditions hadn't changed. Perhaps God intervened. Perhaps not. I see no way of knowing for sure, though.
     
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    Thorns on roses are the result of sin? I think that's a bit extreme. Thorns on roses discourage animals from eating them. You're equating evil to something we don't like. Not everything that we don't like is evil... except for brussel sprouts. If you were to say that brussel sprouts are the result of sin. I'd certainly agree.
     

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