Are there any churches that don't believe in original sin?

Can you be more specific as to what you mean by "Original Sin"? I think Agnus_Dei has given the best definition of what the two most plausible possibilities are:

 

I don't know of any churches that teach that. I must be misunderstanding you. Can you say it again... this time, pretend I am really, really dumb and you have to spell it out for me

 

Then you believe Adam and Eve before the fall simply ate food for pleasure and never felt hungry?

I do not see a baby thinking to itself "I am going to die if I don't eat".

Now if one never felt hungry, what would make you want to eat? We must eat to physically survive, even after our ressurrection. Hunger is not the curse. The scripture states death is. Death by sin.

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Well, we inherit the curse of death. There is no death apart from sin. Death cannot exist without sin. Sin brings death. Death does not bring sin.

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HP: Who hath bewitched you Ann to believe such nonsense? There are and have been many within the Church that have not or do not believe in original sin. I have NEVER heard of one person that did not believe in original sin that would say that each person is perfect and sin has had no effect on their lives. That may be the position of some off the wall individual, group or cult. Who cares. That is not the position of any I have ever heard of within the Church that does not accept the Augustinian notion of OS. It certainly would not be my position and I do not believe that original sin is Biblical in the least.

 

What kind of a god would send a newborn or younger to Hell because someone sinned 10,000 years ago? A god who should be respected?

 

True, but consider that if we inherit the guilt of Adam's sin, then Jesus could not have been sinless. He would have been guilty of Adam's sin. However, he could inherit the consequence of Adam's sin, which is why Romans 5:12 says "death is passed" and not "sin is passed".

Everyone from Adam to Moses (when the law was given) died as well, even though they didn't take part in Adam's sin, and the way back to the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil was blocked.

[FONT=&quot]Rom 5:13[/FONT][FONT=&quot] (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law).[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.[/FONT]
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The RCC got themselves in a jam by developing this "Original Sin" to the point of Dogma...what happens to Jesus? Well the RCC has to fix Mary so that she doesn't pass on this stain of sin, this guilt...The Immaculate Conception is developed and made Dogma and wham, problem solved. Mary was just born without Original Sin.

In the Orthodox Church Christ is born fully 100% human and fully 100% Divine. He has all the traits we humans have and death was passed on to Him, that's just our human nature, which He took on. But in regard to sinning and staying sinless, Jesus had an attribute we don't have and that's His Divinity.

Jesus' humanity submitted totally to His Divinity, thus unlike us, who are responsible for our own sin, He remained sinless.

In XC
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The scripture has Eve sinning first, yet God holds Adam responsible for sin entering into the world and death by sin. The curse, by God's sovern choice (it is His plan), was passed on through Adam's genes and not through both Adam and Eve together. Therefore Jesus would of had no curse and no sin nature because He was born of a virgin, He had no human father by which the curse of death by sin could be passed. It matters not that Mary was a sinner and contained the curse of death in herself. Jesus was still sinless and uncursed because God chose to have sin pass through the male gene into each newborn. You might say well that is scientifically impossible, but we are not dealing with science here. Can you show how sin entered into the world by science? It is what God says it is.

Romans 5:12 states "death by sin". They go hand in hand.

Did you ever notice that Jesus did not die until God laid on Him the sin of the world and then apparently looked away or seperated Himself from Jesus? How could He die without sin? Without sin their is no death.

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I really like your insights here, and you communicate them very well.

I don't think you are fully grasping the nature of the marriage relationship. The man is the head of the wife, which means he has authority over her.

Eph 5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

Also, the Bible says Eve was deceived, but Adam willfully sinned.

1Ti 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

 

This topic nor my comments have anything to do with authority within marriage.

1Timothy's teaching about deception has nothing to do with this topic nor my comments here.

So I believe my comments still stand without refute.

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Eve sinned first. Why did God declare Adam's sin the cause of the curse?

Rom 5:19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Also we see that many were "made sinners". This would be born a sinner and not born spiritually alive but then spiritual death coming later after one "chooses" to sin at some made up doctrine of an "age of accountability", as some erroniously have preached here on the BB.

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Because Eve didn't have the authority to give away dominion of the earth, Adam did.

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Adam and Eve were "one flesh", but Adam was the head, and had authority.

A person can only give away the amount of authority they have been given.

See what Hebrews 2:14 says:

Hbr 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.


Adam gave that 'dominion' over death to Satan by sinning. Eve didn't have the authority to do this.

1Ti 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

The scripture in 1 Timothy 2 shows that the issue of the first sin is DIRECTLY related to authority.

 

Interesting theory. So in your belief if Adam had never sinned, Eve could have sinned all she wanted and never die.