Are there any saved catholics?

Precepts, you have no idea what arrogance is. You fail to grasp what I am saying. Perhaps that is because you are so bent on defending a family member who is a catholic. Unfortunately, that is Johnv's problem as well.

Listen, you still have not dealt with their theology.

A wrong view of God is idolatry is it not?

Can you prove that Catholics line up with those things I mentioned? You know, the FUNDAMENTALS OF THE FAITH? This is the Fundamentalist Forum.

I have catholic family members as well. They are good, moral people. However, idolatry (no matter how sincere), is still idolatry.

It isn't about 'my theology'. These are things so clearly laid out in Scripture that you can't miss them. Well, you have. Sad. Just sad.

 

Okay. Let's start with your #1. Which Christ do Catholics worship? Specifics please. It is up to you to prove this because you are the one making the premise.


Who is this Christ Catholics worship, if not Jesus Christ? </font>[/QUOTE]

 

So have I become your enemy by telling you the truth?

 

What truth? Oh, the blanket condemnation of all who don't agree with your perceptions? Oh....that truth. OK.

 

sheeagle, the prideful are those who refuse to learn. When you can demonstrate from Scripture that I am wrong, have at it.

Think about this:

Do catholics believe that Christ's substitute on behalf of man is sufficient for salvation, or is there anything that must be added to his work?

If you say yes to the former, you do not understand or know catholic theology.

 

There are NO saved catholics.

That is your blanket statement.

They worship a different Christ.

That again is your statement. I have asked you to prove either statement & you won't. That is because you can't.

You are not God. You do know know what is in a person's heart. It is you, who does not know or understand Catholic theology. You've just proven it by refusing to answer your own #1 premise - who is the "different" Christ you claim Catholics worship? It is YOU who must do the proving here because it is your premise. Perhaps next time you should think before you let your fingers run away with your own piety and sanctimonious rhetoric.

It takes a BIG man to admit when they are wrong. A REAL man. And you are wrong. You do not know the condition of another person's heart or whether or not they are saved in spite of a church they may attend.

You may fool some of the people some of the time, DD, but you can't fool us all ALL of the time. Good try at bluffing. But your attitude stinks. Case closed.

 

1. Of which you can't really argue, just talk about your own personal experience. That might fly in your church, but not mine.

2. Again, you failed to point out where I was wrong, and you failed to address the specific point I brought up.

Do you really believe that if a person says that Christ did most of the work, but they had to finish the job, that they are saved? This is the FUNDAMENTALIST BAPTIST FORUM, right?

3. Never claimed to be. I am glad you at least know this much.

4. I know that wrong theology overrules whatever a person says is in their heart. Duh. Btw, apparently you are in an odd position to be telling me that I am the one who doesn't understand catholic theology.

5. I did answer it. I guess that went over your head also.

6. I have thought these issues through many times. Stop defending a false god.

7. When you can actually demonstrate that I am and not just blast away with your diatribe...

8. Glad to see you are mature enough not to resort to such mindless insults.

9. Just by your standards. However, given the divine blood theory, your KJVOism, your larkinism/hageeism, etc., I think I am in good standing with truth.

10. Catholics do not attend 'church'. They merely meet together. Just like Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses. Again, I don't have to know their heart. Funny thing is, you apparently think you know their heart. Who is judging who now?

11. No bluff, you still haven't answered any of the fundamental problems. Hey, I haven't even gotten into the other problems.

12. I have no ill will toward you. I wish you would move beyond this hate though.