Are These Folks Looking Forward to Death No. 2000?

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  1. KenH

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    Probably so. They have an agenda, and what's bad for America is good for them.
     
  3. Ed Edwards

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    What bothers me is that i think some of these
    'turn tail and run' folk that are so worried
    about the 2,000th US soldier have no concern
    for the 4,000+ US abortions per day :(
     
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    #1999 means nothing.

    Peaceniks wait in breathless anticipation for #2000. Their universe revolves around the propaganda heyday #2000 furnishes them.

    It's disgusting.
     
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    Problem is, it's too late to "wage peace" by not being there now that we've shot up the joint.

    What I think will happen is that the current administration will use the get-out-now wave as a further rationale to privatize the peace - it will hand over the running of Iraq's resources to private companies for fun and profit if we ever get the country stabilized.

    We'll see.

    Does anyone care about Afghanistan?
     
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    Daisy,

    The problem with your theory is that Iraq is being given back to the Iraqis. We will have no say in who gets to be in charge of their resources. I know good news gets lost in the "if it bleeds, it leads" mentality of our press, but the Iraqi people just voted to approve a new contsitution, that was written by Iraqis, and the vote was 79% to 21%.
     
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    "What bothers me is that i think some of these
    'turn tail and run' folk that are so worried
    about the 2,000th US soldier have no concern
    for the 4,000+ US abortions per day "


    I agree Ed ...... and the many thousands more murdered babies all over the world every day. :(
     
  8. Daisy

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    So you think that we are not going to charge them for the costs of the war and reconstruction? We're just going to forgive the trillion dollar debt and not make 'em pay for the next half century? I seem to recall in the pre-war discussion that the war would pay for itself, but perhaps that is no longer the plan.

    I know that that is good news...but what percentage of Iraqis are Sunni? Is civil war no longer on the horizon?
     
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    Daisy,

    I know you sure are hoping so along with all your liberal anti-war friends...but no, civil war is not on the horizon.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  10. KenH

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    About 15% are Sunnis. No, I don't think there will be a civil war with so low a percentage of the Sunnis. After our forces leave there may still be a guerrilla war. There have been guerrilla wars going on for decades all over the world, so that would not be unusual. But there is a great deal of normalcy in these countries with guerrilla wars.
     
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    What does that mean?

    I've been anti-war from the get go, emphatically so vs the Iraq war - far more than nearly all my friends, liberal or conservative. But we are there now and have responsibility which precludes our deserting them before Iraq is stable.

    It has always been on the horizon. Who do you think the "insurgents" are?

     
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    What does that mean?

    I've been anti-war from the get go, emphatically so vs the Iraq war - far more than nearly all my friends, liberal or conservative. But we are there now and have responsibility which precludes our deserting them before Iraq is stable.
    </font>[/QUOTE]I'd hate to tell you this, but it is the anti-war crowd which is advocating the exact opposite of what you do. They want us out now (just like the terrorists do and always have). This is why they salivate over news of the death tolls and everything bad they can find to harp about to demoralize the troops and this nation and weaken our resolve to stay the course.

    It has always been on the horizon. Who do you think the "insurgents" are?
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    Most of them are terrorists from other countries who have invaded Iraq. Who do you think they are?

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    I do believe that their motives are quite different than the terrorists. What's more, the get-out-now group been joined by a hefty portion of the (former) pro-war crowd.

    The anti-war/get-out-now crowd is at least consistent. It's the pro-war/get-out-now group that has no moral backbone. I have no idea how many are in my own anti-war/stabilize-Iraq clique, but we are, of course, correct. ;)

    I doubt that is true for many, but fie on those for whom it is.

    If truth is demoralizing, so be it - it remains truth nonetheless. I don't think lying to the troops or the nation is giving anyone much respect.

    I think that insurgents, by definition, are native. You say that "most" of them are foreign terrorists - what is "most" - 50.001%? 99.99%? How do you come by your figures, whatever they are? (I don't know what the numbers are; I'd just be guessing, so if your source is good, I'll accept it).
     
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    I was one of the rare Canadians who were supportive of the Iraq war. Still am supportive of the work the US is doing, although it could always be done better and critics are sometimes helpful in making sure of that.

    While I would not support the "get-out-now" crowd, I think many on both sides of this would support "get-out-ASAP" with possible being the fulfilling of responsibilities to the Iraqi people of a reasonable level of stability. Very subjective but that is the best I can do. I would encourage Canada to assist the US as much as possible to facillitate this, but I am in a strong minority position in this country. We do have a lot committed to Afghanistan which indirectly supports the US cause in Iraq.

    While I disagree with the "get-out-now" crowd, the more thoughtful and articulate among them may have valuable suggestions for practical ways of making "get-out-ASAP" a reality.
     
  15. Brother James

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    Was Jesus pro-war? Anyone ever study the rules of biblical warfare in the Old Testament? It's eye opening.
     
  16. Brother James

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    http://www.lewrockwell.com/vance/vance59.html

    Christian, is your preacher a minister of war or a minister of peace?

    It is a horrible blight on Christianity that many of the preachers in America today who claim to be conservative Christians waste their time defending the president and upholding the Republican Party instead of defending the Bible and upholding Christianity. Instead of indoctrinating their congregations in the Christian faith, they propagandize them in government falsehood. Instead of exalting the name of Jesus Christ, they exalt the name of George Bush. Instead of diligently studying and giving their church members the truth, they indolently watch Fox News and give their church members government lies. Instead of helping their parishioners grow in their Christian life, they help them grow in their admiration for the state.

    What an embarrassment that some preachers parrot Fox News instead of preach the gospel! What a shame to hear a sermon that glorifies the sacrifices of U.S. troops in Iraq instead of the sacrifice of Christ on Calvary! What a disgrace that some preachers are ministers of war instead of ministers of peace!
     
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    On the other hand, we invade a country and 3 years later only 2,000 troops are killed, all of whom volunteered to kill people and break things.
     
  18. Brother James

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    On the other hand, that's more troops killed than were killed in 'Nam from 61-65. Just over 1800 were killed then. A sign of things to come?
    You're right though, they voluntered just like I did. Young minds are easily washed.
     
  19. KenH

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    I think the Kurds and Shiites will do fine. And it looks like the Sunnis are beginning to read the handwriting on the wall:

    "Leaders of three Sunni political parties joined together Wednesday to compete in the Dec. 15th parliamentary elections, in a sign suggesting that the country's embittered Sunni minority might play a more active role in the democratic process." - LINK
     
  20. KenH

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    It's a shame that you think so lowly of those willing to give their lives to keep your head on your shoulders. Just because you might consider yourself to have been an ignoramus for volunteering doesn't mean everyone else who volunteers has no better thinking ability than you do.

    By the way, I have a grandnephew serving us in Iraq. He is no dummy as you evidently think he is.

    [ October 26, 2005, 09:14 PM: Message edited by: KenH ]
     

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