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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Yeshua1, Mar 16, 2013.
did the prophet Ezeckiel see one?
I personaly don't think they are in bible--BUT that doesn't mean that they don't exist--theres too many things being seen for it not to be something out there--God may have other life on other planets--but what does that have to do with redeeming mankind on this planet:flower::flower:
No, I do not believe there are UFOs mentioned in the Bible. I also do not believe we are visited by space aliens. I do believe manifestations of UFOs, ghosts, and the like to be demonic.
Having said that, there is nothing in Scripture that states or implies we are the only life in the Universe.
There IS something OUT THERE!
I believe the modern-day fascination with extra-terrestrials and UFO's and the increasing accounts of "sightings" is just the predicted increase of "signs in the heavens" and the fact that the "prince of the power of the air" is capable of appearing as an "angel of light" and producing "signs and lying wonders". This world is being conditioned to accept a LIE. Were millions of believers to suddenly vanish in the "twinkling of an eye" how else are the leaders of this world going to be able to step in and be able to explain such a thing? Life will go on here....but the restraint of EVIL will have been removed. Truly dark days are ahead for this godless, unbelieving world.
I am a huge fan of the type of highly technical "special effects" that Hollywood has been able to perfect in modern times simply because I like things that LOOK realistic....but make no mistake about it....for the UN-believing world around us who are deeply saturated in the Hollywood culture.....those very same "special-effects come with a DARK SIDE. That dark side is that for the unbelievers...that very same realism will likely be the tool of deception that Satan uses to seal their doom. They don't have the benefit of the fact that "the entrance of God's Word bringeth light". For the most part they dwell in darkness because they openly REJECT that LIGHT.:tear: One's "worldview" makes ALL the difference.
This topic comes up a couple times a year and someone always says UFOs are "demonic". I always ask what it means by saying demonic and I never get a straight answer.
So here goes again:
1. UFOs are physical spacecraft being piloted by demons. Yes or no?
2. UFOs are non-physical phenomenon willed into existence by demons to appear as lights, objects, or radar blips. Yes or no?
3.UFOs are not real, rather they are demonically induced delusions implanted into people's thoughts. Yes or no?
4. UFOs are demons that can shape-shift and assume solid form and/or appear as lights. Yes or no?
Unidentified Flying Objects? I don't think so; as far as I recall, everything flying in the Bible was identified.
whatever people will say they are is total speculation on their part with no scripture proof--that's all we can do is speculate till the government comes clean and tells us what it is--they do know!!!raying:raying:raying:
I do believe manifestations of UFOs :thumbs:, ghosts , and the like to be demonic :thumbs:.
The government does know what?
I have an inkling, and you sound like one who would accuse the government of lying if they do tell, for example, "flying saucers" are/have been experimental rotorcraft, or that alleged bodies from a crash or encounter were dummies.
We know that demons roam the earth. As far as the phenominom of ghosts, I think people have been watching too much Ghost Hunter shows as of late. The Bible says absent from the body is present with the Lord. The parable of the rich man and Lazarus makes it clear we go in the Lords presence of Hades. That means that human souls do not linger on earth to finish business or settle a score, then wait for a door to appear with a bright while light. So, if people really have seen what they thought were ghosts, doesn't common sense say it is demonic? Most ghostly apprearances are no doubt reports from those in altered states, or are in some kind of emotional period of their lives. Ghosts make good entertainment and scary stories around the campfire, but it is contrary to Scripture, except for demonic deception.
UFOs and space aliens are harder to prove to be demonic, as it is physically possible. However, there is no evidence of visitations from other worlds. It would have to be beings a lot more advanced than us. Again, most encounters are from observers like described above. For those that cannot be explained, all I can say is that demonic activity is the best explanantion I can think of. If these beings have been visiting us since Ezekiel, then why no evidence. Also, to think the government is smart enough to hide an event like this from all its citizens, when it cannot even balance a budget is beyond logic.
Another common error, some say there are no alien visitors because we are the only life in the universe. There is nothing in the Scripture that says or suggests that, and it is pure speculation. In fact, the numbers of stars and planets suggest otherwise. And, just because there is life does not mean they could or would be interested in visiting us.
No. He saw the throne room of God.
This is a setup I usually take. Just what are your numbers in this probability? You might have a good idea of the number of stars (less likely the planets) in the universe [to stretch the remotely practical, we should limit this to 'our' galaxy], but what is the likelihood of life developing, supposing it 'just happens' if an abode has the right conditions for it? All we have to go on with any degree of certainty is our own solar system, which has shown no life other than on our planet-- a system which may or may not be typical even for the roughly 1/4 to 1/3 of stars which are like our sun [middle-aged, stable, without companion stars].
When you say the number of stars, alone, suggests there is other life, you are only assuming vast unknowns.
A few years I would have agreed with you, however, as of late, we have developed the technology to focus on very, very distant stars and measure the wobble in the light and other forms of energy as planets pass in front of them. In fact, we can tell if the planet causing the fluctuation if say a Jupiter type planet or an earth type planet. In fact, one could argue that it takes a lot more imagination and speculation to say there is not life.
As far as our own solar system, it is likely there is some primitive types of life on several of the moons of Jupiter and Saturn.
There is only one thing we know for certain, if there is life, God created it.
That statement is at least as unsupportable as your previous one-- of which you did not give any numbers for your probability. And I am quite aware of the methods of detecting planets.
Another "likely" with no support to supply that >0.5 probability.
That we accept without empirical proof; instead it is the postulate on which we base proving anything else within the scop...but not that there is any life he hasn't shown us or told us about.
If you are aware of the methods of detecting planets, then you know they raise the probability more than your ideas suggest. Since it cannot be proven one way or the other, what is your point in disproving the idea? It is almost like you hope there is no life elsewhere, which serves no purpose. There have been very detailed studies of probability before other planets were detected. The factors involved in the equation are numerous.
There is life or there is not life out there. Personally, I think there is and hope there is. A lot of this type of stuff has an element of something called the human imagination, the ability to dream or ponder ideas.
Everything on earth does not require a formula or a laboratory. Do you have a formula for how many angels sang "Glory to God in the Highest, Peace and Goodwill towards men" that first Christmas?
No, I have to say they don't raise the probability. When confirmation came in the 90's of the existence of extrasolar planets, I don't think anyone was shocked by it. But, expectedly, it did get the hordes of people who want ET's to exist all excited. But the probability of life depends on so many more factors which are still unknown; perhaps above all, that even if a virtual identical twin to earth were found-- same kind of star, roughly same distance from it, same composition of elements-- whether life is actually there; because if it isn't, that shows life existence is positively not inevitable for earth-like conditions, but it would still remain unknown how likely it is, since that would make the tally one out of 2. There are no significant probabilities if all we have to go on is our one planet in one solar system.
Whether I hope there is, or you hope there isn't, does not effect the hard facts, which may or may not ever be realized. But as long as this binary question is not proved positive, people will never give up-- like bigfoot, ghosts, and extraterrestrial visitors (different subject from e.t. life)-- there will continue to be groups, sites, conventions, et al, of those who know such exists without showing the thing itself. It's money for some, a rallying point for many, a hopeful thought to cling to for multitudes. But, if anyone calculated a probability, what was it? [a probability is a number].
That's not too unlike what I just wrote.
Nope; a "multitude of heavenly hosts" isn't specific enough.
Why does it matter to a born again member of the body of Christ?
It doesn't matter because........
It does matter because .........
That simple question can be answered both ways depending on the viewpoint of the person answering the question.
There's only one thing that's for sure. We'll learn the answers about the all mysteries of creation, the TRUTH, when we are sitting at our Creator's feet.
Till then, why does it matter to a born again member of the body of Christ?
My personal "position" is that it is exceptionally probable that life exists outside the confines of our planet and solar system, however, I will remain skeptical that advanced intelligent life exists elsewhere. I think "earth" is "special" and unique, but will leave myself open.
About as much as KJVO, end time event order, old earth/young earth, and what we should wear to church.