It seems to me that there is a debate method that goes on here where we take the words of another poster on any topic we disagree with and use our own theological world view to re characterize is rather than ask for clarification. It appears this is done for the purpose of creating a problem or inconsistency with other posters view so it can be defeated in debate. Is it not better to set our own logic aside and try to honestly determine the use of words and the logic used by the other poster? Or are we so insecure with our own position that we have to get every bit of extra edge on others? It seems this is more dishonesty than it is a mistaken understanding.