I've always thought that we were born spiritually dead but recently I've noticed that the scripture never says we are born dead in sin (to my knowledge.) I could be wrong being that I have not done an exhaustive search on this subject, but I wanted to get your opinions on this matter. Could it be that when Paul speaks of being "dead" he is speaking of those who have lived in sin for a time and have become hardened or caloused as seen in the lives of those in Romans 1. Like these people those who are dead are not born that way but become that way once sin takes root. Eph. 2 is often used by Calvinist to show that we are all born dead in our sin, but it never says that we are born that way: 1 And you he made alive, when you were dead through the trespasses and sins 2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience. It says we were dead through our sins in which we walked when we followed the course of this world, it doesn't say we are born dead but asserts that we become that way through walking in the sins of this world. Least I be railed upon by Nick for making an arguement about what scripture doesn't say in regard to this issue allow me to present one other verse that seems to support my claim: 12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death. Notice that sin brings forth death only after it is "full-grown." This seems to contradict Calvinism's teaching that we are born dead. What do you all think this means?