Are we really to Judge a person's salvation?

Know what you mean about it being quiet around here on a Sunday night. I just popped in after checking my email.

Thanks for the compliment.

Yeah, I can see the chain analogy. I might use that one day.

In Christ,
Trotter

 

What does John 7:24 mean

Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.

 

OK, JBE. Are you qualified to judge righteously? Can you stand and know that there is nothing seperating you from God? Can you sit upon the judgement seat of Christ?

What would have to be the requirements to meat the level of righteousness to beclared sinless and holy, so that you can declare this "righteous judgement"?

Just wondering...

In Christ,
Trotter

 

Trotter

I'm just trying to get the meaning of this verse in context. Jesus said to judge with righteous judgment. Who was he talking to and what does he mean. It appears he was accused of something of which the accusers were doing also???


Jesus answered and said to them, "I did one work, and you all marvel. Moses therefore gave you circumcision (not that it is from Moses, but from the fathers), and you circumcise a man on the Sabbath. If a man receives circumcision on the Sabbath, so that the law of Moses should not be broken, are you angry with Me because I made a man completely well on the Sabbath? Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment

 

If you look at the context of that passage, Jesus is rebuking those who are misjudging who he is. He was giving evidence of being the Messiah and they were rejecting that and calling him demon-possessed. Jesus turns around and rebukes them for this and for their attacks on him (like healing on the Sabbath).

If they judged rightly, they would recognize Jesus as the Messiah.

 

Exactly, Marcia. The passage has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.

In Christ,
Trotter

 

Trotter and Marcia

I respectfully disagree. The law required that circumcision occur on the 8th day. If a child was born on the sabbath then the next sabbath he was to be circumised. Jesus was trying to show them that they had broken their own sabbath law by circumcision on the sabbath and at the same time accusing Jesus of making a man completely well on the sabbath. This is hypocritical judgment not righteous judgment. My question is what is Righteous judgment.

 

I think the question in the Op might have been a little bit vague to come to a definitive answer.

For example. Which of you who regularly witness to the "unsaved" do NOT make a judgement before hand? See? In this case we can and do judge the salvation of another person.

But on the other hand; can we rightly judge the salvation of another who "professes" Christ? I think THIS is the shaky ground the majority are howling about in this thread. If a person claims salvation, we cannot truly know their heart. Perhaps they are saved. their current walk with the Lord may not SHOW it, but perhaps they are saved. Perhaps not. We really cannot judge this because as some have said, we do not even really know our own heart. (This is why, I say, "Lord search me and see if there be any unclean thing in me.)

Conversley, we should not take this too far to the other extreme, for then we would NEVER witness.

So...to answer the threads question; "Are we really to judge a person's salvation?" Answer; yes and no.

In His service;
Jim

 

I agree with Jim.
I must judge a person's salvation, and I think it is our duty to do so. If not what would be the consequences:
Who would you allow into your church, if you are only going to all those that have been regenerated. Isn't there a judgement that has to be rendered there?
Jesus said to judge those that are false prophets. "By their fruits ye shall know them." I must make a judgement about Benny Hinn and his ilk. I might not know for sure if some of them are saved, but I will know for sure that some of them are not. Their fruits will bear it out.
Do you judge that Mormons in general are saved or not? Why or why not? A judgment concerning their salvation you have to make.

Some judgement calls are easier than others. Face it. You make judgements every day. Some of you go door to door. How do you know who you are witnessing to is saved or not. You have to make that judgement call. You size people up everywhere you go. You judge. You can't get away from it.

"He that is spiritual judgeth all things."
It is not wrong to judge. The New Evangelical only wants us to think it is.
DHK

 

Like so much else in our lives, we must seek to achieve biblical balance.

There are some cases where it is pretty clear that a person is not saved. When their words and actions are clearly not in line with scripture we can pretty certainly say that the person's salvation is in doubt.

There are others whom give such glowing testimony of salvation that we would never question whether or not they were saved.

In between are the vast majority. People have judged me as lost (or not right with God) because of my stand on Bible versions, because we enjoy Christmas, and even because I wear a beard. Some look at a public official who claims to be saved, but is weak in one or two areas and judge them not to be saved. People are judged as lost when others disagree with some area of doctrine. This is the type of judgement which is abhorant.

 

Very true, C4K.

As far as witnessing goes, I don't make a judgement. I just act as if all that I engage in witnessing are lost. If the one to whom I am speaking is not lost, they will let me know.

Until someone has shared their testimony, I do not assume them to be saved, but I do not judge them. I have know many good, honest people who would do anything for you, give you anything you needed, who were as lost as a goose in a snowstorm. Outward appearances are not always correct.

In Christ,
Trotter

 

Dear C4K,
I've always assumed you were saved except for the beard part.
Trotter and Marcia I believe you have prpoerly interpeted that particular Scripture.

 

Thanks!

 

Dear Marcia,
I am really hoping you know that was said toungue in cheek.

 

I have a beard and mustache myself.

 

I guess the Emoticons tell the story.

 

are we really to judge a person's salvation?

definitely no, the bible is clear in james 4:10-12

though we need to know that someone is saved thru his testimony, but still, God is the final judge of all...

that is why when we share the gospel we do not use our own power to save people but we use ourselves to be a vessel of that gospel regardlss of who that person is... it is the Holy spirit that gives conviction, our only obligation is to evangelize...

God bless you all...