are women weaker spiritual vessels then men?

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  1. massdak

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    do you think there is a biblical bases in that women seem to have more doctrinal problems then men?
    i have noticed that some differences in men and women's doctrine as a whole women seem more liberal in theology then their counter parts. does man have a certain responsibility to teach more. the reason for bringing this up was from a recent discussion i over heard, and i am curious how others think about this.

    1Pe 3:7 Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with [them] according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life; that your prayers be not hindered.


    1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
     
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    WHAT? Please.

    Sherrie
     
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    Just where do it say women are spiritually weaker? Give a verse that say that exactly.
    Historically men have been weaker spiritually, it was once thoiught that religion was for women, becasue they were weaker and needed it. Seems the women were actually the spiritually stronger ones.
    And you think women are weaker doctrinally? Now just where does that come from? And how are you going to prove it?
     
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    do you think the point being made in this verse>>1Ti 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

    is implying that women are more prone to deception?
    how would you see this verse?
     
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    Well, this is subject certainly surprises me. 8o)
    Ii would never before have even imagined that
    such a subject would ever come up.

    As a young chick of only 53, perhaps I do not
    have as much experience as some others, but
    throughout those years, my experience has
    been that the female population of every congre-
    gation is far greater than that of the male. Choirs
    are mainly women's voices; the teaching staffs
    often mainly female; musicians usually mainly
    female.

    Women also set the tone for integrity and morality
    in the homes as well as in the congregation. The
    saying goes that the hand that rocks the cradle
    rules the world; I suggest that this rule
    encompasses the congregations of that world.

    Bluntly, in my own home, it is the same as what
    I see outside of it. I long ago recognized the
    fact that I set the morality for, as an example,
    what is allowed to be viewed on TV. Make
    Momma unhappy with the morality and everyone
    is unhappy. While I may hate football, football
    plays, but when a jiggler show comes on, when
    sex outside of marriage is blatantly displayed,
    when there is cursing, Momma gets unhappy,
    and the channel gets flipped.

    I am also, like many women Ii kknow, the one who
    goes aboutt the home praying our God's
    protection upon it from immorality, from those
    things that destroy godly peace, etc.

    Young women who call for advice and help in the
    areas of morality, attendance, etc. often feel like
    they are fighting a losing battle with their men,
    but we pray.

    No, I think the story you heard is confused. In
    every congregation I have been in, it has been the
    opposite. 8o)
     
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    so in the main, you feel that biblically speaking women are the stronger spiritual vessel?
    but also in part, i think you have misunderstood my question to some degree.
     
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    Perhaps if I use your direct words:



    Doctrinally, It was been my experience that men,
    while being the majority of peachers, are not the
    majority of treachers, thus showing less of an
    ability to hold to acceptable doctrine and teach
    it, or to teach in general, or to apply the time to
    teaching, or to care enough to teach--the
    choices are many. Women lead in numbers of
    teachers.

    It has been my experience and my observation
    that in doctrine, women as a whole lead. They,
    as a whole, seek out what is biblically necessary.
    Iin biblical morality, women as a whole lead; in
    obeying the Scriptures, women lead; in setting
    the home's biblical study, the womeen lead; in
    attendance, the women lead.

    The above Scriptures have been argued many
    times, but while I do not wish to argue them,
    I am giving you observances which, I believe,
    have little or nothing to do with these Scruiptures.
     
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    Off the top of my head I want to say YES! Because we are told to try and be a gentle and quite spirt. Meaning to me we must not nag anyone :D especially our Husbands and kids. Although the man is called as head of the household, spiritual leader, I think we have much more impact in what we DO rather then what we SAY. Which any Christian must do whether a man or woman. Women are also made to think deeper about most things. We look at all the asspects of something and sometimes drive ourselves NUTS, while men on the other hand can really only focus on one maybe two things at a time. I am not male bashing, it is just fact. Ask Dr Phil! Just kidding!
    But I think we are all on different levels of our growth as Christians and being spiritual. I guess when it comes down to it no a woman is not more spiritual then men. But we DO have a deeper thought process in a LOT of areas! :eek: Did I say that! Yup guess I did! [​IMG] As for the real question that was asked, no I don't think we are doctrinally challenged. [​IMG] Kidding! I personally have to struggle on a daily basis to meet a lot of what God has asked of me. We all do in some ways. I get it and am strong in it but I could just as easily be weak if I did not ask for help to be a better vessle for God. I think we are more out spoken then most men and we bond to other women in a totally different way then men so that makes us differnt! LOL But men have their own launguage and send the messege to one another as we do, we just have trouble seeing them do it. Hmmmmmmmmmmm I gotta go to church now, but I will give this some more thought.
    Love in Christ Angie
    Love in Christ Angie

    [ January 19, 2003, 11:18 AM: Message edited by: Angie Miller ]
     
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    Yes. I've found that any deeper doctrines were introduced to me at that deeper level by men. Women are better at teaching me the more physical and emotional part of the bible...obedience, modesty, keeping a good home, etc..
    If I want to find out more about amillenialism, interpretations of certain verses, etc., men are better at teaching that.
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    Doctrinally, It was been my experience that men,
    while being the majority of peachers, are not the
    majority of treachers, thus showing less of an
    ability to hold to acceptable doctrine and teach
    it, or to teach in general, or to apply the time to
    teaching, or to care enough to teach--the
    choices are many. Women lead in numbers of
    teachers.

    </font>[/QUOTE]It has been my experience and my observation
    that in doctrine, women as a whole lead. They,
    as a whole, seek out what is biblically necessary.
    Iin biblical morality, women as a whole lead; in
    obeying the Scriptures, women lead; in setting
    the home's biblical study, the womeen lead; in
    attendance, the women lead.

     
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    No, Massdak. I do not believe you are trying to
    trap me. 8o)

    In those areas where leadership is necessary,
    and the men refuse to lead in a godly manner,
    someone must lead. If no one were to lead
    in the home, for example, it would be complete
    havock.

    I had the sadly humorous experience of having
    people tell me, as a widow of ten years, that I
    was sinning to hold a leadership place in my
    home. 8o)
     
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    Abiyah, normally I find that you are right on about most things, but you got me on this one...

    While that may be true in some homes and churches, it doesn't hold true for all homes and churches. I have friends where the man sets the tone, but then again I have friends where the woman sets the tone, so it can go both ways.

    God Bless!!

    Adam [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    I am glad your experience is different from mine!
    This is an extremely heavy burden for the women
    who have been in my life.

    Nice to see your photo! Lots of photos popping
    p lately. It makes me feel like I am talking to real
    PEOPLE!
     
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    I do believe that the man is the head, the woman the weaker vessel. Men tend to use their head in spiritual decisions, women tend to let emotions rule theirs. A very spiritual woman will make decisions from the heart, often having her senses fogged by this. Tho many Godly men will tell you that behind every Godly man is a Godly woman. Those women who tend to make the decisions will also find themselves ruling over their husbands.

    I am a woman that tries to keep emotion out of the way, which by many of my posts, this is obvious. But, I do have feelings, and I also have a husband, whom I go to for decisions. [​IMG]
     
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    I believe that typically women are weaker "physically" than men. Would assume no one would disagree with me - although women live longer than men and Lord knows go through childbirth which makes the "weakest" of them superhuman to me.

    I believe that typically women are weaker in "leadership" roles, as they are often more intuitive and emotional based contrasted to the analytical minds. NOW don't pick up stones. This is a broad generalization only, and I'm seeing some of the ladies on the BB as having more innate leadership ability than many men.

    Churches that allow women into leadership roles will soon see real problems. No women apostles for a reason. No women pastors/deacons for a reason. No chauvinism, just Bible.

    I believe that women MAY be more easily deceived. Think about Scriptures -
    I Tim Adam was not deceived, but Eve
    I Cor 14 Women keep silence, abusing gift of tongues
    II Tim Lead silly women captive (not men)
    Titus women to be sober, love husbands

    BTW, women were the faithful ones at the Tomb. They comprised a good portion of the followers of Jesus and early church. Their role in the home (like Timothy's grandmother and mother, and Tabitha) is unparalleled by the men.
     
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    you make good points the fact they are weaker doesnt make them less of value and less apt to recieve needed grace.
     
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    Remember when the apostles didn't quite get it, that it was one of the inferior spirituall weaker women who understood that Jesus was going to die(she anointed His feet with the costly oil, she understood the men did not). To say that women are spiritually weaker, and not very strong on doctrine is to say no woman could possible teach, or even lead, would you let someone spiritual and doctrinally weak teach the bible to your children? Though in the bible some women did and still do have problems with being doctrinelly or spiritually weak, you can not lump all women togethr, same as on the other side you can not say men are spiritually doctrinally strong, because then they would all have to be. Reading on this board would convince anyone otherwise.
     
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    Deleted because nobody cares what I have to say anymore.

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    There is no way I can go along with the idea that women are "spiritually weaker" than men. This cannot be proved, but I venture so say that most of us are Christians mostly because of the influence of the women in our lives when we were young. This is a broad generality, but mothers are more patient and less authoritarian; fathers are apt to be the opposite. The preacher in the pulpit probably bored us, while our Sunday School teachers-- most likely women-- got through to us much more on our level. And while most of usprobably had some periods of 'rebellion' to some extent as teens or young adults, the chances are good we did eventually "return" in many ways to what they taught us (Proverbs 22:6).

    I definitely do not take the liberal stance that we can nullilfy biblical principles if they do not correspond to modern trends. However, there is much to consider about the biblical writer describing the woman as the "weaker vessel" and a wife's submission to her husband. In particular, it is noteworthy that a woman beaten and abused by her husband had no recourse in ancient Mediterranean world. The only type of defense she had was to make him want to treat her right. If she ran away, she was not likely to end up in a better situation, and maybe far worse. So it's little wonder the position of women in the New Testament age is taught as it was. But being the type of woman who did not provoke her husband and raised her childern with a good example of patience and submission was not a "weak" position at all. It was a position of strength and perseverance; and so it remains today.
     

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