Are you a dichotomist or a trichotomist?

So what part of the two that you believe is still being renewed..what part is the mind? soul/spirit or body? I believe the mind here is the soul.

 

If I understand you right...you are saying that nothing changed in us the moment we put our faith in the resurrected Lord and Savior? So our spirits will not be made alive until we receive our new bodies?

I do not think I am understanding how you believe...

 

Yes something changed. We have been given the Spirit of God so we can be born of God in the Image of the resurrected Jesus the firstborn from the dead. We are now the children of God yet unborn. IMHO

John 14:26 RSV But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
2 Thes 2:13 RSV But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God chose you from the beginning to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth.
Sanctification equaling set apart by the Spirit of God the Spirit of adoption therefore: Romans 8:15-17 KJV for ye did not receive a spirit of bondage again for fear, but ye did receive a spirit of adoption in which we cry, `Abba -- Father.' The Spirit himself doth testify with our spirit, that we are children of God; The Spirit himself doth testify with our spirit, that we are children of God; ( Notice we are heirs, not yet inheritors but heirs, as in Hebrews 1:14 KJV Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? )

Set apart unto salvation at the appearing of Jesus. Is that not exactly what 1 Peter 1:2-5 says? Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Blessed the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

The last part of Rom 8:17 concerning being heirs with Christ: if, indeed, we suffer together, that we may also be glorified together.
--understood with him. I asked Icon in another thread about that glory Jesus prayed the Father for and stated it being stated somewhere else that the Father gave him glory and asked what it is. I believe he posted something from Pink and also posted from Hebrews 1:3 which follows 2 which says he Jesus was appointed by the Father heir of all things including glory V3. I believe 1 Peter also says something about this glory the Father gave the Son, Jesus.

The Son, Jesus 1 Peter 1:20,21 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, (slain from the foundation of the world) but was manifest in these last times for you, Who by him do believe in God, (The Father) that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; (The glory he prayed for, maybe?) that your faith and hope might be in God.

Now what will we have because we have been given the Spirit? V22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, [see that ye] love one another with a pure heart fervently: Remember we are heirs not yet inheritors of that glory to be glorified together with in Christ Rom 8:17 but we have the Spirit of adoption, we are begotten of God so says the word of God: Verse 23 1 Peter 1 Being born (begotten YLT) again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

The word of God tells us we shall have that same glory as Christ. What is different about it?

1 Peter 1:24 For all flesh [is] as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: {John 3:6,7 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
1 Peter 1:25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

That glory is eternal life, incorruptible, that does not wither away that will come at the appearing of Jesus.

Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thess 4:18

I believe Dichotomy. The living soul (subject to death, the soul that sins it shall die) tabernacles in a corruptible body. Our desire is to put on immortality, incorruptible our house from heaven. Eternal Life. 2 Cor 5

 

Like I said in another thread...I have just began to scratch the surface on what the Word says about this! But I have started studing it this year!

First I believe at this point that we are three. 1 Thess. 5:23 says spirit AND soul AND body. It speaks of three! My search was to find out what these three are and how they function in scripture. I also see it in Gen. 2:7!

The physical part I believe most will agree is our physical body. What we see in the mirror. But when you speak to me, are you speaking to my body or my soul (mental/emotional part)? The body holds 5 functions (taste, smell, hear, touch and see).These functions help us relate to the world around us. Without our body we could not live on earth, could we? Can we agree on the physical part before I explain more?

 

This is interesting...but I will have to digest some of it before I respond.
Question: When we are given the Spirit of God (rebirth), do we become one with His Spirit? If so where does this take place?

ONe more note...when we are born again...it is more than just conception, right? Birth is a new creature.

 

Dichotomist. Soul/Spirit are used interchangeably in the Bible in reference to a person. We have a physical part of us and a spiritual(spirit/soul) part of us.

 

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Still on your bandwagon, Brother. BTW, how's the Missus and little one?

 

Doing great! She's 7.5 months old now! Wife is doing great too.

 

How are we different from the animals if we are just soul and body?

 

So how do you understand image?

How do you explain the different words in Hebrew?
The Spirit-roo'akh-
The body-bawsawr'
The soul-neh'fesh
The mind-labe/lay-bawb'
The heart- labe'
Heb. 4:12 mentions all soul/spirit/body(joints and marrow)/thoughts(mind)/heart?
What part is the heart? what part is the mind? IF we are only two part being?
Can a spirit die or does it live forever either in heaven or hell?

A lot of question to be answered before I buy in to a two part being?

 

I believe we are two part creations, part one being our flesh and blood body, and part two our human spirit. And the core characteristics of our spirit are frequently called our soul. For example, Hebrews 4:12 teaches the word of God can penetrate and separate what was beforehand combined. Thus it separates the Spirit and the Soul, teaching they are combined.

In 1 Thessalonians 5:23 we see that our entirety is made up of the spirit, the soul, and the body, but the verse does not require a separate three part configuration, the soul can be understood to be part of the whole spirit. But I will certainly agree this verse in isolation does point to a three part configuration. However other verses preclude that possibility.

In Matthew 10:28 we see that in Hell (Gehenna) we can have both our soul and our body destroyed. One must conclude when our soul is destroyed, that also means our spirit is destroyed.

Next we have to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. And when the Spirit departs, the body dies. Thus the Spirit/Soul operate together separately from the body. Our Spirit is of course the God given life force within us, and therefore the body returns to dust without it. To be present with the Lord requires our conscious awareness or soul to be present.

In summary, the desire to push for a three part view rather than the apparent two part body and soul/spirit view seem to be to enable mistaken doctrine.

 

No, I do not think we are a 6 part being.

Rev. 8:9 " And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea and had life(psuche), died; and the third part oft he ships were destroyed."

"In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind." Job 12:10

The NT in Rev. 8:9; 16:3 also show the creatures had life (soul).
Every living thing has a soul. Adam was not a living soul until God breathed the breath of life into him.

What did Adam lose in the garden? He was connected to God- spiritually alive.

To really understand the spirit/soul/body you have to dig deep into His word!

 

I have looked up several scritures this year concerning this! A lot of light has been shed on this for me...but there are also unanswered questions too! The questions I am asking you are the questions I asked myself as I studied and prayed for answers.

Would you say it was his heart that was darkened because I see the heart of man to be a combination of the spirit and soul. (I wish I could down load a diagram the picture would be clearer.) These sciptures imply that they are connected (Gen. 6:5;Matt. 9:4; Acts 11:23; Heb. 4:12; John 16:6; Heb. 10:22; 1 John 3:20).

 

Think that ALL humans are physically born with flesh/soul, but that our spirit is dead, and ONLY those who are born again are 3 parters!

 

So Adam was created as 3 and then he was 2? What did he lose?