Are you a hypocrite?

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  1. twpaige

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    Do you tolerate hypocricy? Are you a hypocrite? Does your own hypocricy keep you from doing what you know is right?

    Has anyone else ever wrestled with these questions?

    Just so you know; I am a hypocrite, it eats me up inside sometimes, but I continue to fight the good fight.

    My poll lists some activites that I grew up not being able to do and was just wondering if anyone else had these strict rules imposed upon them as well.

    The only reason I'm posting this poll is that I struggle with these things almost daily and feel like a total hypocrite when I read scripture, attend church, pray or talk with my kids about God. I wasted a lot of years thinking that I couldn't be part of God's church. I've come to the conclusion that I will just lay all of my vices and problems at His feet and do my best to follow his law and fill my soul with His Word.

    tw

    (I didn't realize I was posting this under the Hobby/Travel forum. It doesn't make much sense here does it? Sorry. Is there anyway to move it?)

    [ December 18, 2002, 05:18 PM: Message edited by: twpaige ]
     
  2. stubbornkelly

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    I guess I just don't see most of these as vices, and even the ones traditionally considered so don't have to be.
     
  3. Johnv

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    I thought cursing after banging one's thumb with a hammer was required. ;)
     
  4. Mike McK

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    Yes.
     
  5. H.R.B.

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    Johnv,you're so funny! I think you have a very
    good sense of humor. [​IMG]

    Heidi
     
  6. Johnv

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    Thank you; I know I'm funny, but looks aren't everything. :D
     
  7. Wisdom Seeker

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    Interesting topic. I started going to a really, really strict I.F.B. church 8 years ago...and the only thing I struggle with on your list is going to the movies.

    When I was going through the depressing period in my first marriage before I ended it... going to the movies was my way to escape my life for a couple of hours. I used to go with my sister who is 16 years younger than I am. The church I go to now is adamently against going to the movies...but they don't seem to have a problem with renting movies and watching them at home...Does this make sense to you? Well after 7 years of wanting to go to the movies, and refraining because I felt guilty and was also afraid I would get caught, I decided...Nuts to this! I don't go to the movies very often anymore...but I'm not going to twist myself into knots over it either. Seems to me that lots of Christians go to the movies and it's not a big deal...only with my church. This is one of the things that i disagree with with my church. When I move, I will certainly not pick a church that is against movies again. I mean... I don't go to rated R movies anyway...so I don't really see why this is a big deal.

    As to the smoking, I used to do that. The drinking, I used to do that too...a little. The cussing...I gave that up when I realized how ignorant it made me sound...and it had nothing to do with spiritual conviction either. But the movies...and the "woman should only wear dresses or skirts" thing drive me up the wall. Seems so stupid to make an issue over this type of thing...to me.
     
  8. superdave

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    I am not sure how the questions related to being a hypocrite, most of the people who I view to be the most open and honest about their spirituality seem to not have a problem with several of the items that are in the list, and how many broken destroyed people I have seen who would have told you they would do none of them.

    Man looks on the outward appearance and actions, and makes judgements based on their own flawed, finite mind, God knows the heart.

    Many times what we think is the Holy Spirit pricking our conscience, is really just a programmed response, ingrained in us by some well meaning, but Biblically unsound teaching
     
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    Waaaaaall, when you get to my age, you don't
    have to be a hypocrite anymore! That is the
    only really good thing I can think of about aging.
    You can say what you mean, mean what you say,
    do what you want, etc., and everyone will forgive
    you because you are older. They laugh about
    it later, and they say, "Oh, well! That's just her
    way!" 8o)

    Do I drink? No, because I have a condition that
    will not allow it. Do I smoke? No. It stinks. Do
    I curse? No. Why should I? 8o)

    Do I attend movies? Yes--once in a great while.
    I have not been to one in over a year. I go to the
    ones I see as worth my time, but sometimes, I
    get so busy I forget to go, then it is gone.

    What does this have to do with hypocrisy? I
    understand where this comes from. When
    leaders make rules against these things, and
    you do not follow the rules, it makes you feel
    like a hypocrite, especially when they condemn
    you for what you do.

    Are the rules against thesse things extrabiblical
    and outside the realm of what a leader should
    demand? Well, if you are a part of a fellowship,
    and they have these rules, and they have not
    said that they were being detracted, then you
    should follow their rules, or be honest with the
    leaders regarding your dismissing them, or
    move on to a different place of worship.

    There. Was that absent of hypocrisy? 8oD
     
  10. Alcott

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    I think anyone who claims to not be a hypocrite is a liar. Is absolutely everything you do or say 100% sincere? If you have a gift exchange, are you going to say exactly what you think about what you get? -- "It's lousy" - "I've never used those things before and I don't intend to start now" - "If I had a list, that wouldn't make the top 100" - "i'll give it to Goodwill next week." Instead of thoughts like these, if you have them, are you going to say "Thank you; it's very nice" or "I'll be getting a lot of use from that" ?

    And then, if your kid draws an ugly picture, do you tell him/her that's its' "real good?" And are all the compliments made about a friend's clothes or hairstyle or living room 100% truthful?
     
  11. stubbornkelly

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    Well, truth be told, I try to find something good to say about things like that. If the picture is lousy, I can always compliment the colors the kid chose, right?
     
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    Everything does not deserve or require comment.
    Not everyone wants to hear what I think or have to
    say. I do not need to answer every question just
    because it is asked; depending upon the person
    and/or situation, it is all right to say, "That is none
    of your business." 8o)

    There is, however, an appreciation for the efforts
    and personalities of people. These can be
    complimented when the results cannot.

    [ December 19, 2002, 05:05 PM: Message edited by: Abiyah ]
     
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    Do these things even have anything to do with being hypocritical?

    Hypocrisy is what happens when you say you will do something with no intention of doing it. Falling short when you have a sincere intent and made an honest effort is not hypocrisy.

    And that assumes that the list given in the pole are thigs that one should be concened about "falling short" on.
     
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    Aww, do I have to? Why do I have to make a special point of saying "You have a rule against going to the movies, and I will not follow that rule"? I guess, I think things like this are a persons preference, and having to notify anyone officially or not seems a waste of energy on something that I find trivial to begin with.

    I understand what your getting at...and I believe that is how you would handle it. But I don't think it's worth taking up their time about.

    [ December 19, 2002, 07:44 PM: Message edited by: WisdomSeeker ]
     
  15. twpaige

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    Interesting posts from all, thanks. As to the points about the questions not having anything to do with hypocrisy, they may not be related to what you feel is hypocrisy, but in my world they do.

    I do not feel that hypocrisy is telling someone you are going to do something with no intention of doing it. I believe that is called being a liar.

    Webster defines a hypocrite as a person who pretends to be what he is not; one who pretends to be better than is really so, or to be pious, virtuous, etc. without really being so.

    I feel like a hypocrite when I go to church, read scripture, pray or visit with someone about my faith, because in the back of my mind I know I am not nearly as perfect as God wants me to be. I struggle with this and have a very hard time forgiving myself for my own flaws. I can feel (figuratively) satan's claws pulling me closer to him when I am involved in some of these vices. I know it's his way of making me question myself and trying to make me feel unworthy and it is working. It's a daily struggle, but through prayer, diligence and The Lord's help I will make it through.

    Believing that you are a hypocrite and letting that stand between you and God is one of satan's most powerful weapons. Prayer is the answer!

    He is risen!

    tw [​IMG]
     
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    Yes, a person who says they'll do or they are something whgile know ing it just isn't so is aliar and a hypocrite. They are very closely related.

    I understand the feeling like a hypocrite. But that doesn't make you one. That you fail to live up to God's standards merely means that yo share in the struggle of every redeemd person. You love God and yearn to do His will, but you live inthe body of flesh and so don't, at least not always. But that's shame and guilt, that feeling like a hypocrite, and I think its positive since it motivates you to grow in righteousness and be more like Christ. But falling short does not make you a hypocrite. You're not pretending to be something you're not, which is the very definitiuon of a hypocrite. You are simply not succeeding to be all you want to be and all you are. There is a difference.

    May God gant you some peace in this.
     
  17. Abiyah

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    Well, Wisdom Seeker, of course you're right!
    It is none of their business.
     
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    I am, at times, very much a hypocrite.
     
  19. superdave

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    Those called to sonship are also called to discipleship

    Now that doesn't mean we are perfect, that means that our desire is to be conforming to the image of Christ. Just like our initial salvation, Sanctification is a work of God in our lives.

    You have to ask yourself if you are not closer to God than you were when you "got saved" than are you really saved, praying a prayer won't do it, it has to be a life changing experience.

    Again, not that you will never go through a valley, but over time, the trend has to be upward, or I don't believe true saving faith has ever been granted or exercised.

    Hypocrisy IMO, should be measured against that scale, not against saying you are a christian, but not conforming to other christians, to me that is not hypocrisy, but soul liberty, within reason of course
     
  20. superdave

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    That said, Yes sometimes I feel like a Hypocrite, and probably am
     

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