Aren't BOTh heavena nd Hell described in eternal terms?

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  1. Yeshua1

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    As jesus and His Apsotles said the time for both heaven and hell same, everlasting, eternal?
     
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    "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul - but rather fear Him who is able to DESTROY BOTH body AND Soul in fiery hell" Matt 10:28
     
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    And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Matthew 25:46
     
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    Jude 7 - Sodom and Gomorrah exhibited as examples for all to see - of undergoing the "punishment" of everlasting fire.

    in Christ,

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    well, jesus said that those not in heaven, not with him, wuld be cast into outer darkness, waiking and gnashing of teeth, so now burnt up, and also hell place where worm never dies, fire never quenched, so they live on !
     
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    Well, Greek term is apoleia:
    destroying, utter destruction
    of vessels
    a perishing, ruin, destruction
    of money
    the destruction which consists of eternal misery in hell

    Greek lexicon based on Thayer's and Smith's Bible Dictionary

    Destroyed/ruined does NOT mean burnt up, but as in away from God, eternity without Him!
     
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    Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

    Mark 9:47 ...it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
     
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    Wonder where the part of burning up and disappearing was in those verses?
     
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    Hell is a place which will be cast into "the lake of fire (Rev 20:14). There's no doubt concerning the eternality of the "lake of fire," and considering the eternal expressions of Hell in Scripture, I do not find it unreasonable to assume that Hell will continue to exist in the eternal lake of fire, as will the remnant of its residency.
     
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    Hades (the grave, Sheol etc) is cast into the lake of fire in Rev 20.

    But Fiery Hell (Gehenna) is the term used by other writers for the Lake of Fire event of Rev 20 and as Matt 10:28 says this is where God will "destroy both body and soul".


    Jude 7 - the perfect viewable example "exhibited' for all to see - is Sodom and Gomorrah "undergoing the PUNISHMENT of eternal (everlasting) fire).

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    Originally Posted by BobRyan [​IMG]
    "Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul - but rather fear Him who is able to DESTROY BOTH body AND Soul in fiery hell" Matt 10:28


    Same word here in these texts below --



    Matt 10
    28 ""Do not fear those
    who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell (Gehenna: Fiery Hell).


    Luke 12
    4 ""I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those
    who kill the body and after that have no more that they can do.
    5 ""But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who,
    after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him!


    Luke 17:29
    but on the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. (destroy - Apollumi )


    Jude
    7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal (everlasting) fire.

    2 Peter 2:6
    and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter;
     
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    This is what a J.W. tried to tell me this last week when she came to my door. You should know better Bob. Sheol is a Hebrew word. Hades is Greek. Sheol does not translate to Hades. Hades is translated as "hell." In fact in the KJV "Hades is used 11 times and only once is it translated grave. In all other instances is it translated HELL.
    Likewise Gehenna: It is used 12 times in the NT. Nine times it is translated as Hell; three times as "hell fire."
    Sheol is a Hebrew word, and has a completely different meaning. We are not speaking of Hebrew words here which can have a legitimate meaning of "grave" at times.
    God is able. But God doesn't in the sense of annihilate.
    God is able and God will to the unsaved in the sense of separate the unsaved from God's presence for all eternity. That is destruction; eternal destruction. It is like the burning bush. What did Moses see? A bush that was in a continual state of destruction and yet always alive. The tree was never consumed. It remained alive. The second resurrection will take place. They will have a resurrected body. It will be cast into the lake of fire in a place of eternal torment, but never be consumed. Always alive, but never consumed by the fire--just like the burning bush.
     
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    Let's just say that the place where the lost go from this life is relocated latter to "the lake of fire."

    I present it like this because Hell cannot be thrown into Hell, i.e. in Luke 16:23 the rich man was in fire, which will go into a separate fire, described as a "lake."
     
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    Hades is thrown into Hell in Rev 20.

    In Acts 2 - Hades is where David is "still" while Christ is "not left there".

    in Christ,

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    in this case the term "destroy" means to "reduce them to Ashes".


    Matt 10
    28 ""Do not fear those
    who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell (Gehenna: Fiery Hell).


    Luke 12
    4 ""I say to you, My friends, do not be afraid of those
    who kill the body and after that have no more that they can do.
    5 ""But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who,
    after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him!


    Luke 17:29
    but on the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. (destroy - Apollumi )


    Jude
    7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal (everlasting) fire.

    2 Peter 2:6
    and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter;
     
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    Your opinion is opinion, and in this case it is error, not truth.
    There is no reducing to ashes here; just your overactive imagination.

    Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
    --Hell does not deliver up annihilated souls. It delivers up those who are being tormented there to be sentenced to an eternity of torment in the Lake of Fire. That is where the rich man (of the rich man and Lazarus) will end up--from Hell to the Lake of Fire. There is no mention of ashes.

    Being separated from God for all eternity is the "destruction" being spoken of. It is a spiritual destruction.

    same as above
    It is speaking of a physical destruction here. Just as the physical structures of the city were destroyed so were the physical bodies destroyed.
    Everyone in hell undergoes everlasting punishment, torment in hell. The story of the rich man and Lazarus describes it well.
    So do many other Scriptures.


    Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

    Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
    The physical city was destroyed, never to be rebuilt again.
    The unsaved of those city are in hell never to live (spiritually) again.
    Death is separation. Eternal death is eternal separation from God. This is the destruction that they will face--an eternal state of separation from God in a resurrected body.
     
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    2 additional points!

    Jesus said that they will be varying degrees of punishement there, so if all get smoked, how is that varying degree?

    Also, how can God judged the evils of a Hitler or a Stalin as being same due punishement as someone who was a "nice" athiest?
     
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    Christ in one night and day suffered eternal hell in the eternal Kingdom of his Father and "IN IT", ETERNALLY, "TRIUMPHED": in Gethsemane's night and day of Golgotha.

    The wicked lost HAVE NO IDEA "the anxiety unto death" prepared and waiting for them!

    Hell's length will be its depth, breadth and width by its intensity: ETERNAL.

     
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    Luke 12:45-50 says varying degrees of punishment instead of "infinite punishment for all".

    Thus some suffer comparatively little while others suffer more. Some burn for a few moments others for days would be an "example" of it.

    yet for all it will be true that God will "destroy BOTH body and soul in fiery hell" Matt 10:28.

    in Christ,
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    So you are saying a polite"nice" person who rejected Jesus gets same fate as Hitler!
     

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