Arguements agianst "soul sleep"?

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    What are some of the reasons that you do NOT believe in the doctrine of "soul sleep"?
     
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    Because all the snoring I've ever heard comes from a flesh&blood body.
     
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    The Bible says "you shall not surely die" so why do people say that you will?
     
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    "and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?" John 11:26
     
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    That's the chapter where Jesus says "Lazarus is dead"
     
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    It's also the chapter in which He says "and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?"
     
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    1. Jesus said "Lazurs sleeps" not "Lazarus' body sleeps but Lazarus does not " -- I believe it.

    2. Jesus said "Lazurs is dead" I believe it.

    3. Jesus said "your brother shall LIVE" and Mary said that she already had Christ's teaching on the resurrection and believed it.

    4. Christ then said that those who BELIEVE never die referring to the "2nd death" as we see in Rev 20 AND NOT to the Romans 5 "ALL DIED for ALL sinned".

    I believe it "all".

    in Christ,

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    But he also said, " "and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?"
     
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    It is instructive that this thread has so little data in the argument as compared to the other thread AND this thread's argument relies heavily on the reader ignoring the details of John 11 - except for one snippet taken out of context.

    Truly instructive for the unbiased objective reader.
     
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    Do you believe in the Apostles Creed?

    I reject it as it is full of heresies or lack of the full truth, often full of half truth.

    It contains the communion of the saints. I hope you know Catholics believe the Saints are the dead believers, and the Apostles Creed is maintained by them.

    It says the Communion of the Dead believers, which I reject.

    It cannot be sustained if the believers accepted the Soul Sleep.

    As I said, Soul Sleep has been believed by many true believers like William Tyndale, Martin Luther, Anabaptists, which is different from Soul-death by the JW's

    Denial of Soul Sleep brings the hereies of Communion of Dead Saints, Prayer to the Dead, Intercession by the Dead people.
    Satan is vehement to deny it and condemns the opponents as the heretics, which is the typical tactics throughout the history when they become the majority among the Christendom.

    Apostles Creeds:


    11. the communion of saints;

    Remember that the Catholic meant the Saints by the dead believers.
    They believe the prayer to the Dead, pray thru the dead, blessings thru the dead, etc. which is often found in the paganism.

    I REJECT this.

     
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    Do you reject the words of Jesus as he said, ""and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?"
     
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    Oops! We are on a new page and I have not put this post on this page "as well".

    [​IMG] RE: Arguements agianst "soul sleep"?
    1. Jesus said "Lazurs sleeps" not "Lazarus' body sleeps but Lazarus does not " -- I believe it.

    2. Jesus said "Lazurs is dead" I believe it.

    3. Jesus said "your brother shall LIVE" and Mary said that she already had Christ's teaching on the resurrection and believed it.

    4. Christ then said that those who BELIEVE never die referring to the "2nd death" as we see in Rev 20 AND NOT to the Romans 5 "ALL DIED for ALL sinned".

    I believe it "all".

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    But, "and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?"
     
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    But - I believe ALL in that chapter not just one snippet taken out of context.

    (Can I be asked to say this again please?)
     
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    As the typical speed bump on the road to the celestial city, the most Bob will do is cause you to slow down as you run over him. His folly is plain, his error will be made known to him later.


    BGTF
     
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    I hope you are not confused between Soul Sleep and Soul Death.

    Soul Death - Soul dies out completely after death claimed by JW's

    Soul Sleep - Soul never dies but rest by sleeping after the death, claimed by William Tyndale, Martin Luther, Anabaptists.

    Denial of Soul Sleep : Roman Catholic as they need to pray to the dead, claim that the dead souls can intercede for the living people.

    John Calvin who claimed Infant Baptism, killed Servetus and many others, claimed Baptismal Regeneration, Clergy system, No Salvation outside the Holy Catholic Church, Compelling the Faith by Force, God predestined the unbelievers not to believe in Jesus and thereby to go to the Hell by His decree though He could save them all only if He had wanted to. The person who should go to the Hell according to the Calvinism is the God of Calvin.

    I wonder when the Baptists started to accept the many heresies from John Calvin since I already notice London Baptist Confession 1689 reflected the Predestination.

    Apparently the Calivinism smeared into Baptist churches as we clearly notice the Clergy system in Baptist Mono-Pastoral systems.

    We already exchanged so many verses which tell us the words "Sleeping" of the dead.

    These verses do not mean the Death of Souls

    Ps 88:10
    Wilt thou shew wonders to the dead? shall the dead arise and praise thee? Selah.

    Ps 115:17
    The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence.

    Sleep is distinguished from the Death by Jesus.

    Mark 5:39
    And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is
    not dead, but sleepeth. ( Alive =Sleep here)


    Souls will never die because they will just sleep after the death.
     
    #17 Eliyahu, Nov 15, 2007
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    hmm - something we agree on!

    in Christ,

    Bob
     

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