Arizona Immigration Bill - What is objectionable

If there is a difference, it involves greater penalties for the business owner and the possible seizure of his or her business. Targeting businesses is a legitimate part of enforcement, but I don't see how this equals greater respect for human rights by your definition. The people who happen to work there are still required to show proof of legal residence, and they are still led off in handcuffs if they don't.

 

That is the crux of the matter. I suppose stubborness is a virtue in some circumstances :laugh:

 

What is objectionable about it is that it makes it difficult for illegals to just walk around unfettered in Arizona.

 

No my fantasy is that every one would live joyously in a Garden of Eden and it didn't matter what they looked like.

 

The reality is that Adam and Eve messed up and so there is no Garden of Eden. Everyone since has inherited the very same rebellious nature.

The reality is that man thought they could all work together and build a tower to reach up to heaven. But God confused them with different languages and scattered them around the world. This was the "international order" of the time and contrary to God's plan.

The reality is that some men of all nations are among His children having accepted Him as their savior. Some are in Mexico. Some are in the USA. They don't have to live in the same place to recognize the common brotherhood between them as Christians. They don't have to disrespect the laws of their brother's nation because of it.

The reality is that man, through the institution of civil government that God established, have established borders around the territories over which they exercise governance, ideally, for the benefit of the citizens living within them. Those people, through their governments, have established rules for the sake of good order and justice among themselves that regulate who, when, and why others may enter those borders.

The reality is that an increasingly large number of people outside our borders have decided to ignore and usurp our law by invading our nation for their own benefit and with difference to our own. Some of us, in our misguided understanding of all this, have decided to ignore, justify, condone, and even encourage this invasion.

The reality is that America had better get a handle on the illegal immigration problem - following Arizona's lead would be a good start - else we will ultimately lose our liberty to the certain decay of good order and justice that will follow if not being caught up in a state of war and martial law with much suspension of general liberties.

 

My Fantasy was in question. So I clarified matters by demonstrating what my fantasies actually were. My view of the reality of the situation wasn't the issue but if you want to speak about reality lets talk about reality.

Reality is that the United States for over a hundred years has for the most part overlooked illegal immigration from mexico. With in the last 50 years the reason Illegals were over looked was it provided an opportunity for business in Agriculture, Meat processing, etc... to lower their cost of operation by hiring Non US citizens under board and paying below the table. This low wage laborers were such a benefit to the economy that Migrant worker welfare benefits allowed for payments to illegal immigrants. Other companies used them to bust labor unions in the west and many other reasons which ended in the bottom line being up. Now the cost to return ratio with regard to Mexico illegals still sides on the benefit but media and conservative people have focused on the down side that now there is an uproar.

 

No, we - the citizens - haven't been overlooking the illegal immigration from Mexico and elsewhere. We've always been against it. It's just that it is now so far out of control that's now of "epidemic" - no, make that "plague" - status.

Yes, some individuals and business have taken advantage of the situation but that in no way indicates that the average citizen has condoned it.

So the reality is that we have millions of illegal immigrants living in the USA now and, by a dumb misunderstanding of the law, we've also added to the "citizenship" the children born to them.

The reality is that we could send them all home and our economy would survive just fine after some adjustment.

The reality is that if we don't deal with the problem now - regardless how we got into it - it will overwhelm us and lead to a loss of our own liberty.