Featured Armed Citizens Stand Guard at Army Recruiting Stations

Fine. Go back to that thread and correct me. Tell me, in front of everybody else in that thread what you believe I didn't understand.

Which question, specifically, did you feel was irrational? Why didn't you just say you didn't want to answer my questions because you believe they're "irrational", rather than just ignoring them?

Do you know what a straw man is?

OK. I'll bite: Why would I shoot somebody for having their head covered?

So, we shouldn't take any other factors into account? Just head coverings?

 

And you are wrong in saying the vast numbers of Muslims share a Middle Eastern ethnicity. Actually the largest number is from Indonesia where there are at least 204,847,000 Muslims.

 

What I see are hard working Americans, some vets some not, who love their country and appreciate our men and women in the service. These are people who understand they may not be chosen to be enlisted and go oversees to protect this country they are still willing to stand guard and watch over those who do and are.

I grew up with people just like those in the pics in the Ocala National Forest of Florida. I can assure you that despite their physical appearance they are very well trained and practiced with arms. I would be proud and humbled as a military recruiter to have them standing guard outside my office while I worked.

The question is, Is this a good idea? The answer to that question is most certainly subjective and will be answered based on one's own life's experiences.

However, the bigger question is why do people like these patriotic hard working American feel the need to put their lives at risk to do this. The answer is when the government who is given the task to protect us but refuse to because of a political agenda then this is the response we will see.

The focus on these people is nothing but a distraction from the real issue.

 

Nah, I think Woody was right.

 

Why do we, as supposed soul-loving Christians who claim to love lost people--whoever they may be--have to SHOOT anybody??

Did our Lord SHOOT those who mocked and scorned Him? Did He SHOOT those who cried out, "Crucify Him!!! Crucify Him!!!"?

Did He commission the Apostles [and those who continued their ministry when they died---like us today] to "Go ye therefore and SHOOT those that oppose you....teaching those who do believe in your doctrine of God's love for the lost to SHOOT those who do not receive His message."?

I don't think so. At least I find no where in the NT any place that tells us to live out our Christian testimonies by SHOOTING those that oppose the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

If you do find such a example, command or precept that urges us to do so, please cite the specific book(s), chapter(s), and verse(s) in the NT that states that we should do so.

What I find in my Bible are accounts such as Stephen, who [like Jesus] prayed for those who put him to death. In Hebrews 11:36-38 in my Bible, I read this: "....[O]thers had trial of cruel mockings, and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy), they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth...."

That's the examples God's Word tells us of those who chose to identify with the One Who loved them, died for them, and urged them to, "Come unto Me, all ye that labor and are heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you, and learn of Me: For I am meek and lowly of heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For My yoke is easy, and My burden is light."

Apparently the Bible you have and use says something quite different than mine.

Maybe you need to find a Bible that's somewhat closer to the one by which I try to fashion my life---not that I'm a good example of how a follower of Christ ought to live, because most of the time I'm a rather sorry excuse of what Jesus wants me to be---but rather one that tells us to look ".... unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; Who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God." (Heb. 12:2)

He's the One Who can a person's heart and life and attitude.

Hopefully I pray that you'd consider His way of looking at people with whom you may differ.

I believe you'd be better off using His perspective on those about you rather than the one by which you seem to have concerning Islamic people---or any other kind of God's created people.

I love you brother. I just wish you'd just re-examine your attitudes about people with whom you disagree. If you do, they might just one day ask you to tell them about the One who gave you "a reason for the hope that is in you."

Wouldn't that be something!!

You might just lead someone who was deceived by satan to the One who can give them eternal life, and, thereby gain a new brother in the Lord....A person who now will spend eternity with you, rejoicing at the feet of Jesus, because they trusted in the same Savior that died for you.

 

Thanks for an excellent post. The answer is that their Christianity has been "Americanized" as suggested in another thread. Specifically it said:

 

I have never (to my knowledge) said anything about defeating Muslims. I will, however, boldly declare that we need to defeat Islam. Big difference. One that I believe your "Americanized" writer used on purpose.

I don't look at a drunk and think he needs to be defeated. But I think we should defeat alcoholism.

Islam, despite the preconceived misconceptions prevalent by most Christians, is still something we need to fight against. It's wrong. It leads people to hell. It is cause for many to never know the true God, and His mercy and love.

It's the same as homosexuality. We should fight against homosexuality, but not against homosexuals. We don't need to defeat the person, we need to defeat the sin.

To deny that we need to fight against Islam is to stick your head in the sand, and pretend that all is well in the world.

 

Perhaps this is why some Christians have such a nasty attitude about some sins. They think they have to defeat that which CHRIST has already defeated.

Our fight is ... not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Eph. 6:12

we are to fight against THAT with the truth of God's word that ultimately points men to Him to be set free.

It sounds like the same position a lot of white people have taken with racism in this country.

But the fight , again, is not against Islam or racism and the Body of Christ should not be confused that it is. There is an antiChrist spirit of Islam loose in this world that is deceiving and denying the truth of Jesus Christ. Its stronghold base of operation is Mecca.

We must fight those things in the spiritual realm with the Spirit.:thumbsup:

Like Mormonism and Salt Lake City, Islam has built its stronghold in Mecca. Where is the stronghold of racism that must be spiritually torn down?

 

I don't get it. How exactly is the government supposed to control the actions of 330 million people, anyone of whom could do something crazy like what happened in Chattanooga?

Are you proposing more police powers for the government?

As Christians, shouldn't our hope be in Christ? Should not our first response as a solution be that we got to get busy pointing more folks to Christ as the solution?

As I said in the other thread, we should be worried when even OUR(CHRISTIANS) answer is more flesh and blood and not the power of Jesus.

The real issue seems to be forgetting from Whom our strength cometh. Perhaps this is why wickedness is flourishing/ Alongside our unrepentant wickedness, we seem to not know how to or have forgotten how to fight this battle.

 

Nevermind . . .

It wouldn't do any good to bring up Matthew 12:25.

 

We understand this and are being as patient with you as we can.

 

I do think the military would be wise to consider their recruiting offices to be targets, and act accordingly.

 

We might want to pull some Marines back and put them BACK in charge of military base security.

 

Why are civilians employed for base security?

It makes no sense.

 

It's an absolute shame. A full-dressed Marine belongs at the gate of every military base. Private security guards belong at the local mall.

 

Agree.........