Arminian arguement

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  1. Skandelon

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    When I just 19 years old I was just beginning to study the Doctrines of Grace and I confronted my Pastor, who has his doctrate degree, about the whole issue. I presented him with several passages of scripture and a few of the basic questions concerning God's Sovereignty in Salvation. He seemed perplexed and confused as if he hadn't even thought about it before.

    Then he said something very profound, "I don't know about all that, but I used to know one of them 'Calvinists' in seminary and now he is selling cars. So, you better not get mixed up with them."

    I was wandering what kind of arguements all the Calvinists on this message board have heard in their experiences defending the faith. [​IMG]

    [ February 01, 2003, 09:38 PM: Message edited by: Barnabas ]
     
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    I think this is pretty demeaning. Arminians are
    just as sincere as any Calvinist in their beliefs.
    And I recognize that someone will come back
    with a wise crack like, "Sincerely Wrong!" or
    "Being sincere doesn't get you a penny in a rusty
    bucket," but there are real people with real issues
    and real love for our God behind every Arminian
    post and ever Calvinist post. I wonder how our
    Lord would respond to this thread.
     
  3. Jacob

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    This doesn't seem like it's going to be too edifying, just insulting. I'd like to see what the moderators are going to do...I don't see mocking being a mission of this forum.

    Jacob.
     
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    What would you like Jacob?

    To me, the comments above are pretty funny ... that you should not be a calvinist because they end up selling cars. I don't see that as demeaning. I see it as unfounded. I see it as a very poor argument for why someone should not be a calvinist.

    There are probably funny arguments from both sides. If you have been giving a funny reason to not be a calvinist, then throw it out so we can laugh at it. If you are offended by the topic, read the others. I will keep an eye on it and if it gets out of hand, I will take care of it.
     
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    You two obviously haven't read through many of the posts on this board. Both sides demean the other sides arguements with wise cracks and jokes. Which is one of the reasons we have the cute little smiling faces to add to our posts. It's all in fun. I would like to hear what Arminians think our most irrational arguements are too. I know there are some out there.

    Isn't that what posts are for: To locate and rebute irrational arguements. Some of those arguements are bound to be funny. That's all I'm introducing here.

    Lighten up will ya! [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    8o) No, I will not "lighten up." That "request," in
    itself, is demeaning. As Ii just read Larry's
    suggestion, Ii will take his advice instead. 8o)
     
  7. Jacob

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    Points taken. Let's give this a try. I posted one on the other thread. I've got examples from both sides.

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    Arminian alternative to the joke in the Calvinist thread:

    How many Arminians does it take to change a light bulb?

    None, God has called it to change, and it must decide to do so of its own free will.
     
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    I posted this in another thread, but I have others as well.

    A girl in a message board said that she couldn't believe in reformation theology because her pastor told her that Augustiine was mean to his oxen.

    My pastor told me, "I may not have all the scripture you have, but I just can't believe in that kind of God." He has his PHD

    Someone in here on another thread gave the scenerio that if I had children then my theology would be different. I do have a child, and why should that change my theology? What is in the bible is always in there, no matter what my stage in life is.

    I had a youth minister who gave the illustration about the glass. That God gave you the glass, and all you must do is take the glass. I asked him where he found that in the bible, and he answered, it isn't in those words, but it is in there, and he would find it for me. I am still waiting for that call.

    I have others, but I must stop and chuckle now.
     
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    Have seen a few good ones reading through the posts here. I think the funniest thing from both.."sides"..(for lack of better word at the moment) is that on the serious threads there is that joking around, and when someone starts a joking around thread everyone is serious [​IMG]

    I'll get back to lurking and pondering [​IMG]

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    My theology didn't change when I had kids, but my prayer habits did. For example, I pray continually for patience and the chance to sleep once in a while.
    :D :D
     
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    Someone also used my own blessing as a parent to attempt to prove my irrational and 'mean' belief in the Sovereignty of God. This (in my opinion) is a useless arguement. My children are a gift from God, the salvation any one of us possess, also is a gift from God.

    A preacher once told me, in view of my beliefs, "you can only be as useful to God in proportion to what you belief."

    I agree with him and told him so, that is why I believe in the Sovereignty of God. In that Biblical truth my usefulness is not the issue, it is the will of God and the glory of His grace that is the issue.

    If I leave my home this morning and am involved in an accident which takes my life, does this change the plan of God, does he have to scramble then to call someone from off the benches who would take my place, does He have to call a time out and regroup? No. He will do none of this. Only receive me into His presence until the appointed season that this age should end and all the family of God are resurrected/raptured.

    The funny thing is, I was raised among God fearing Christians who believed we choose Christ and are able to unchoose in the same way, I never felt as if I could unchoose, nor that I had, none I know will admit to ever believing they have at any time lost what God had given them. But they do proclaim that we are capable of walking away from God and the salvation He has blessed us with.

    These things are amusing, and I am sure some of our Calvinistic brethren (myself included) have at times offered lame reasoning for believing that, Our purpose is to Glorify God alone and a doctrine which requires something of man before God can act at the very least equalizes all things.

    My brother told me he could not believe that God had done all that to save us and did not expect anything of us in order to grant our salvation. I simply cannot understand this pattern of thought.

    Once a converted Jew was preaching on the work accomplished at Calvary. When he finished a young man approached him and asked him what he could do to be saved, the preacher said, "too late." And explained all had been done, the covenant of works fulfilled, the covenant of Grace ushered in.

    God Bless.
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    Also posted in humor:

    Why did the chicken cross the road?

    All it had to do was decide of its own free will whether or not to cross the road and receive the other side! The answer as to why one chicken chooses to cross the road and another doesn't is simply because they have the free will to choose.
     
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    True... But would a chickens desire to cross the road change if it smelled a KFC on the other side? :eek: ... Brother Glen :D
     
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    Ah, but that's not the point! Nobody said God gives every chicken an equal chance to want to cross the road. The fact that they are all given a chance in their lifetime whether or not to decide to cross the road, and that makes God fair and equal. The chicken who sees something good to eat on the other side and the chicken who sees a bucket of KFC on the other side both had the same opportunity to decide, so it's fair.
     
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    oh, I get it some chickens are more observant and smarter than other chickens... I didn't know that. Well then, praise be to the chickens who get over to KFC. :D
     
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    So what you are implying is that the reason Arminians don't accept Calvinism is that they are... Well you know [​IMG] ... "Chicken" ... Brother Glen [​IMG]
     
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    Well, I like calling up my folks in the old country once in a while. Spoke to my younger sister who was Pentecostal and Arminian (though she doesn't know she's Arminian and she never heard of Calvinists either) and who hated Baptists because us Baptists believe in Eternal Security.
    So I told her that I am no longer an Arminian.
    And she said, "of course you're not. You're in America, not in Armenia."
     
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    How can you say that? What if that Chicken has baby chicks? You obviously don't own any chicks, do you. How can you imply that the KFC is not willing to feed the baby chicks too. You chick burners! Don't you know that once a chick reaches the age of accountability (which is determined by the size of its beak) he becomes responsible for his own decision to cross the road, but before that it's KFC responsibility to carry the food over to the baby chick. [​IMG]

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    * Pete sits back and watches the pecking order sort itself out.... :D
     

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