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Arminian Myths

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by christianyouth, Sep 12, 2007.

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  1. christianyouth

    christianyouth New Member

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    Lifestyle Evangelism - The idea that by somehow living a life that is full of good fruit you will lead people to salvation.

    Easy Believism - That it is possible to have belief without repentance. Most Arminians read 10% of the Scriptures and allow that 10% to usurp the other 90% in terms of importance. Certain Scripture verses such as Romans 10:8,9 are viewed as the greatest verses on soul winning, when in fact they are often extracted from their context and used to promote false evangelism. Romans 10 speaks of belief and a calling out for help, while we see the majority of preaching done in Acts including calls to repentance. So instead of siding with Acts and actual demonstrations of Gospel preaching, Arminians pick a select few verses that do not include Repentance and reduce the Gospel to giving intellectual assent to Christ's diety.

    Church Growth Methodology - In the last years Churches have underwent a pretty radical makeover. Through different studies, pastors now have access to demographics that tell them things they need to do to build big churches. Contemporary worship is in, God honoring hymns are out. Preaching about sin in a generic fashion is in, while preaching specifically against certain sins that afflict Christians is out. Big choirs, nice seats, good lighting, this is how to build a big church. The great majority of Arminian churches have adopted this.

    These are just three symptoms of the disease of Arminianism.

    Does anyone else care to share some symptoms that they have encountered?
     
    #1 christianyouth, Sep 12, 2007
  2. dan e.

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    WAMMO! You're first assumption that nobody ever said!
     
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  3. dan e.

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    KABLAAM! False assumption #2....who on this board has said that?
     
    #3 dan e., Sep 12, 2007
  4. dan e.

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    Dare I say....#3?!

    Where did you get these statistics! Only George Barna has numbers like this!
     
    #4 dan e., Sep 12, 2007
  5. dan e.

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    Oh the temptation.......ggrrrr.....I can resist........WHEW!

    I'll just resist that little invitation of yours.

    A break will do you good.:thumbs:
     
    #5 dan e., Sep 12, 2007
  6. donnA

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    I'm not arminian, but I haven't seen anyone say these things yet here.
     
    #6 donnA, Sep 12, 2007
  7. John of Japan

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    christianyouth, you are still misunderstanding lifestyle evangelism.

    (1) It is the Gospel that leads to salvation, not the lifestyle. Every presentation of lifestyle evangelism in the books about it and here on the BB presupposes an eventual presentation of the Gospel. The lifestyle tills the ground for the seed.

    (2) In the other thread you never answered a very clear Scripture on the matter, 1 Peter 3:1-2. (By the way, did you notice that no Calvinists joined you in your condemnation of LE?)

    (3) I would really like to see you prove that LE comes from Arminianism. Run us through the theology. Can you prove that any of these authors were Arminian? Arthur McPhee (Friendship Evangelism), Joseph Aldrich (Life-Style Evangelism), Jim Petersen (Evangelism as a Lifestyle).
     
    #7 John of Japan, Sep 12, 2007
  8. 2 Timothy2:1-4

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    Ive not seen an arminian on the board. Anyone care to fess up to this?
     
    #8 2 Timothy2:1-4, Sep 12, 2007
  9. preachinjesus

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    I love this place...:laugh:

    This isn't lifestyle evangelism.

    This is not the proper understanding of easy believism. (Which btw, I am not an advocate of; cheap grace isn't biblical)

    Misspoken again.

    Have you actually read about this stuff exhaustively or just piece-mealed some stuff together? That's a serious question because that isn't a good definition of Church Growth Methodology (which I happily endorse.)

    Arminianism isn't a disease, it's another option. Also not one that I particularly endorse.
     
    #9 preachinjesus, Sep 12, 2007
  10. dan e.

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    I'm not going to after this kind of intimidation!!! I mean....ummm..no, not me!


    just joking:laugh:
     
    #10 dan e., Sep 12, 2007
  11. tinytim

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    You tickle me in your feeble attempt to disparage anyone that believes different from you by calling them Arminian!! lol...

    OK.. first, lifestyle... our life must line up with our doctrine.. We preach Jesus changes people... we had better be changed... and this will show in our life... (folks, he is talking about me on this one.. he disagreed with the fact that we should show love to others through various acts.. his idea of showing love to people is gettin in their face and telling them they are going to Hell.)

    Second, Easy Believism... I sorta agree with you here.. except you shoot yourself in the foot when you go against The Roman's passages... God wrote them... plus, you and I have something in common...
    We both use WOTM when witnessing... and guess what, Kirk and Ray both encourage the use of Romans 10:9-10.

    Third... Church growth stuff works, and souls are saved... I am reading a book about the natural church Growth movement...

    But you blatently lied, for dramatic effect ...you said..."Contemporary worship is in, God honoring hymns are out." There is not a person that likes Contemporary worship that I know of that throws out hymns...We use both... it is called blended worship.

    NOw after sayin that... I really like you and your zeal!! you remind me of me when I was young, and thought I knew it all... keep the zeal, loose the know it all...

    To show you don't know it all... you said "These are just three symptoms of the disease of Arminianism."

    I can show you churches that are not Arminian at all that these things describe...

    NOt everything can be blamed on Arminianism.

    YOu and I disagree.. and I am not Arminian... bet ya didn't know that!
     
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  12. dan e.

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    oh, but he does know........
     
    #12 dan e., Sep 12, 2007
  13. webdog

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    You can definately see the "youth" coming out of Christianyouth.


    Another worthless thread that needs to be closed. There was no debate in the OP, only trolling.
     
    #13 webdog, Sep 12, 2007
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    OP,

    Arminianism is not a disease. Neither is Calvinism.

    There are theoretical viewpoints.

    "Read more and post less" is my advice to you for the day.
     
    #14 Jkdbuck76, Sep 12, 2007
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    "Let your light so shine before men that they will see your good works and glorify your Father who is in heaven".
     
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  16. swaimj

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    "Let your light so shine before men that they will see your good works and glorify your Father who is in heaven".
     
    #16 swaimj, Sep 12, 2007
  17. christianyouth

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    I know LE advocates believe in an "EVENTUAL" presentation of the Gospel. And that is just the problem. If God teaches that through preaching people are saved, and through the hearing of the Word God gives faith, why would we occupy ourselves in trying to build 'bridges' to share the faith? We plant the seed, we move on. If there is interest, we water the seed. It's rather simple.

    3) They could be inconsistent Calvinists or consistent free-willers, I have no idea. Either way, they are not biblical.
     
    #17 christianyouth, Sep 12, 2007
  18. christianyouth

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    Easy believism = Non-Lordship salvation. Do Arminians hold to Lordship Salvation? Very few. To hold to Lordship Salvation and be Arminian is to advocate a work based salvation. I think we can agree on that much.



    Also, I didn't misrepresent lifestyle evangelism. That is lifestyle evangelism taken to its logical conclusion. If I didn't build the bridge, the Gospel would lose credibility. Or else, why build the bridge in the first place if it's not making the Gospel more effective?
     
    #18 christianyouth, Sep 12, 2007
  19. dan e.

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    Who has been teaching you??!!
     
    #19 dan e., Sep 12, 2007
  20. ReformedBaptist

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    christianyouth,

    Hey brother. While I would urge some caution in your zeal for truth, I rejoice to see your faith in Jesus Christ, love for His glory, and passion for truth. By caution I do not mean a bucket of water to the fire of God, but as it were, strength and power and knowledge under self-control, meekness, humility, gentleness, tenderness, and grace in your speech. I do not mean to accuse you of anything brother. Take it as en exhortation to continue to fight the fight of faith adding to your "faith virtue, and to virtue knowledge, and to knowledge temperance, and to temperance patience, and to patience godliness, and to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness, love. For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins."

    "Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity." 1 Tim 4:12
     
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