Arminian Myths

What you need to do is let the Bible shape your theology, not interpret the Bible through the lens of your theology. I trust someday soon you'll attend a good Bible college and take courses in hermeneutics and exegesis and Greek and Hebrew. Then maybe you'll get over this tendency.

There is really no other way to interpret the passage other than your (1) above. It specifically says, "without the word." Now interpreting Scripture with Scripture, we know that no one is saved without the Gospel. However, it is very clear from this passage that our lives influence people towards or away from Christ. To deny this is to deny the plain sense of Scripture.

It is a characteristic of youth that they think they have all the answers. I was the same way 35 years ago, of course.

Frankly, though, you need to admit that your ignorance of theology is great. I asked you to show me how Arminian theology produces lifestyle evangelism. You haven't. You won't be able to, but go ahead and try. If you don't even try I will continue to think you have backed out of something you started.

Now to be honest, I don't participate in the C/A debates, and I won't here. But I will go so far as to debate with you the source of LE practice without discussing the right and wrong per se of C or A. I gave you a quote on my side from well known Calvinist J. I. Packer. I double dog dare you to produce any quotes on your side from a genuine Calvinist theologian on how Arminianism produces LE.

It's very easy to give opinions and then say you won't go any further because you know how the discussion will turn out. But that's not debate.

Hoping for a mature answer.... :type:

 

This subject never ends, and some have a strong desire to continuously "bash" the one who believes the opposite way.

 

Heaven help ANY person who becomes the recepient of youthful vigor/beliefs that may be wrong, but never questioned!

I speak with authority because I used to fit this catagory!

I'm knocking on the door of 71, but can remember some of my "unquestioned beliefs" from my "know-it-all" youth.

To all: Be patient with this enthusiastic youth, and with some deftly applied HS correction he'll be a powerful Christian one day; after eating a little "humble pie" of course.

To christianyouth: Hang in there m'friend. Many will be more than happy to lock horns with you, and one day you'll find the one that make you feel like an infant as he shows you your lack of comprehension of God's Word. As solomon said, learn from such an exchange, and thereby develop wisdom.

For posterity's sake you should keep a copy of this thread and read it after you have, say, 25-30 more years under your belt! Bet you will be truly amazed and thankful!

 

Humbly and well said, Christian Youth! God bless you. :wavey: :thumbs:

 

Amen brother. You are on the right track doctrinally. You might be called of God someday to lead. I notice that God's emphasis for leaders is maturity, and there are areas where we all need to mature, whether at 18, 34 (me) or 71. May our Lord Jesus continue His work in us making us like Jesus. Whenever you have a chance, read Whitefield's reply to Wesley. I think you will find in it a great example of godliness in controversy.

 

Ye must be born again. Biblical of course.

 

God has already called me to lead (as a layman). I've served as a Deacon for 7 years, an adult Sunday School teacher for 7 years, a member of two pastoral search committees, a member of the choir, and a lay preacher primarily at retirement homes but also in churches (25 sermons).

 

I believe his post was for christianyouth...

 

Arminian Myths:

Thier works plus the GRACE of GOD merits them to be saved.
1. We decide if we are going to be saved or not, and the weak god of this creation has to go along what ever we decide...Man has to set the condition of faith to obtain salvation and by having done the WORK they shall be saved...

The GOD of the bible is NOT soverign, but we are co-equal in power with HIM......

The Biblical response to thier false gosple of "grace plus our works earn our salvation".

1. BUT, the bible says that GOD elects HIS chosen to be saved before the foundation of the earth, and HE does all the works of salvation in us.

It is not to them that wills to be saved that shall be saved, but they are saved because GOD has saved them by HIS GRACE and the calling of the chosen by election....

EPH. 2:8-9 and Titus 3:5...We can NOT save ourselves, salvation is by GRACE...

 

The amish has said that to me.....

 

I think most "Evangelical Arminians" would agree with what you wrote that salvation is by grace. Of course, God doesn't believe for us right?

 

This is the way that many people live that profess Christ. Everyone is NOT a true convert....

 

These are some unusual ideas. Where did you get them from?