Arminians and Prophecy

Hi Whetstone;

You'd have a real hard time proving we were ever chosen or elected unless we were a Jew.
Scripture doesn't say men and women were chosen before the foundation of the world.
God is not limited to time but your existance is. If you didn't exist how were you chosen.

Totally non scriptural. Not true. It's not in the Bible. You don't know what your talking about.

Just show the part where your name is there tell us where David Allen is in the Bible. Show us those prophecies where individuals are prophicised about. Show us there names. Aparently you don't read the Bible often you should.
I didn't say no one was prophecised about I said few are and you sure aren't one of them.

It's obvious you have no clue what that plan is. If God is to have LOVE from man. Then man has to be able to give that Love freely. There is no love without choice. Love requires the freedom to do so.
We are never comanded to come to Christ but are invited.
Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike

 

In "SIX DAYS" God made the Heavens and Earth, and on the "SEVENTH DAY" he "RESTED".

Ge 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Genesis chapter 2

1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

Can any "Calvininst" explain to me "WHERE" the "EIGHTH DAY" came into existence, since only "SEVEN DAYS" are mentioned in God's original plan???

Did you know there was an "EIGHTH DAY"??

And "WHY" did all "SIX DAYS" have a Begining/end, (morning/evening) but not the "SEVENTH DAY"??

 

#1. Step 1 -- understand the opposing view.
#2. Step 2 -- challenge it in its weakness

See?

The Arminian position does not preclude God from "knowing the future" in all its detail.

IF as you presume above -- absolute foreknowledge prevents "free will" -- then Christ had no free will!

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Having said that - you are on to something here -- Calvinism is totally unprepared for the Deut 28 Blessings and Curses "IF you obey " etc.

Shouldn't the God of Calvinism just say "this is what will happen and it has nothing to do with you or anything you might choose to do.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Hi Whetstone;

No one denies God has a general plan in mind when He created the world. This verse is far from being about the individual

You will notice this verse says we are "chosen in Him". You were not part of Him until you accepted Christ. God is not restricted by time but we are.
You keep thinking like you are not restricted by time like God.

From the beginning of what? your faith that's what.

Not so I just proved that you are reading what clearly isn't there.

Almost a good dodge of the question. I read it everyday. The best part is I never get tired of reading it.

God did elect men and women just not individually, or before the foundation of the world. We weren't in Christ before the foundation of the world either nor did we exist. Christ could only be slain from before the foundation because He existed.
If you can prove you existed then you might be able to make such a claim.

The term spiritually dead means separated from God. Not separated from God's word. It doesn't have anything to do with ability. There is nothing in scripture that says that it does.
To say we can't know and understand is false it isn't even in scripture. Paul said just the exact opposite.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Yes. He can fall in Love with Christ which will cause him to have saving faith.
Calvinist claim that we are regenerated before we believe because we must be in order to believe. But Christ told Paul that He was sending him to the gentiles to open there eyes. could Paul regenerate men? no but he preached the word to them opening there eyes to truth they had not known before.

Act 26:17 Delivering thee from the people, and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
Act 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Men were blind not because of total depravity but because they didn't know any better. We must first know about Christ before we can believe in Him.

You're denying the truth of the word. The word repent is not a commandment. It's an offer it is your gospel that's distorted that's why you keep loosing your temper and it shows.

If the light of Christ shines at all on this board it shines through men. I just showed you His light now all you need to do is believe it.
Open your eyes David you'll have a brighter day because you did.
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike

 

Whetstone;
That's fine with me it's difficult to talk to someone of your particular character.
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike

 

The above interaction is beneath the expectations of the christian community and I request that you document apologies!! In Christs Love!

 

Let's see if anyone can answer my question first, then I'll explain.

 

Hi Me4Him;
Because the seventh day is still going on. When the eight day comes it will be the thousand year rein.
Oops I'm not a Calvinist sorry
May Christ Shine His Light On Us All;
Mike

 

I didn't realize this is what open theism was (truthfully, I wasn't real sure what it was at all). This always sounded like what arminians believe since they state we can use our free will to thwart the will of God in our lives.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I don't understand what you're saying...and the chart is confusing me. Could you explain what you mean with scripture? I'm not challenging you- I may agree with you when I understand what you're saying. Regards,

Daniel Allen
www.spurgeon.us </font>[/QUOTE]Adam ended the Seventh day when he sinned, in effect "Creating" the "EIGHTH DAY", but "GOD" was "FINISHED" with "HIS CREATION" in "SEVEN DAYS",

And God DID NOT include an "EIGHTH DAY" in his original plans. (Predestine sin)

"Foreknowledge" of it occurring, "YES", "PLANNING IT TCCUR", NO, or it would be part of the "original Creation plan".

God doesn't so much as "TEMPT MAN" with sin, much less "Predestinate" man "TO SIN".

Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:

"ALL SIN" is the results of men chosing to "break God's Laws", not God chosing men to break his laws.

Man along is responsibile for all sin being in the world, Not predestination by God.

 

#1 There is nothing that says that Adam sinned the day he was created, or the day after he was created (which would have been Sabbath) or the day after that.

It could have been weeks or years - we don't have the record.

#2. If Adam had never sinned all for these 6000 yeares - those years would still exist as real years.

But other than that - I do agree with you that God did not dictate, create, mandate, institute sin for sin is rebellion against God.

In Christ,

Bob

 

Easy --

James argues that God is not the author of our sin. He does not mandate it, dictate it, tempt us to do it – etc.

quote]James 1
13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "" I am being tempted by God''; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone.
14 But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust.
15 Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death.
16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren.
[/quote]

Further – James argues that the wickedness of man WORKS AGAINST the Righteousness of God and even argues that all mankind MUST resist their own evil inclinations to accomplish the righteousness of God for the wickedness of man does NOT accomplish the righteousness of God – and specifically the anger of man does not accomplish the righteousness of God !– And that tells us something about even the sin and anger of man in crucifying Christ!

To make the God the author, creator, instigator, tempter for sin and sinners -- is to place Him
in the role of Satan the "father of lies".

Hardly a direction that a saint would want to go.

LUCIFER was perfect in all his ways but then CHOSE rebellion. It is not GOD CAUSING him to sin - but it is Lucifer CHOOSING to do it.

The same is true of Adam and Eve.

God's ways can not be presented as creating and authoring sin! It is impossible.

(Ok so now this is where you are free to accuse me of not quoting Luke 22 or Luke 24 "details" - which are the actual points you are asking about -- the way I almost always charge Calvinists who dodge my texts!!)

In Christ,

Bob

 

So if those texts that Daniel quoted don't mean what they say, then what do they mean?